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Should this be a stand-alone tender? Should a DMR not be part of a wider modular weapons system to replace the FAL and AUG?
There has been a move for many years to modular weapons systems whereby a number of different weapons are based upon a common platform, usually the same layout, fire control group and receiver with different barrels and calibers been offered. Take the DMR role, the soldier who has the DMR will standout within any group of soldiers as the rest have the AUG, which looks very different from the majority of current DMR rifle, that makes them a key target. Secondly the fire controls on most conventional DMR rifles are very different from those of the AUG, this means that the muscle memory will be different. While with plenty of training this can be over-come if there was a common platform this would not be the case.
The combination of the HK416 and the HK417 as used by the ARW is just one example of the use of a platform system.
Of course what was left out of the BA trails was a 7.62 x 51 version of a bullpup, Tavor 7 and if they ever make a militerised version the MDR.
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Originally posted by EUFighter View PostTake the DMR role, the soldier who has the DMR will standout within any group of soldiers as the rest have the AUG, which looks very different from the majority of current DMR rifle, that makes them a key target. Secondly the fire controls on most conventional DMR rifles are very different from those of the AUG, this means that the muscle memory will be different. While with plenty of training this can be over-come if there was a common platform this would not be the case.
Having such a distinctive looking weapon as the AUG will always make soldiers stand out from others, if because the AUG looks completely different to most other armies AR type platforms or an AR platform makes ARW, etc. stand out against reg troops here.
Is this the start of the re-introduction of 7.62 as the standard roundAn army is power. Its entire purpose is to coerce others. This power can not be used carelessly or recklessly. This power can do great harm. We have seen more suffering than any man should ever see, and if there is going to be an end to it, it must be an end that justifies the cost. Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain
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Originally posted by X-RayOne View PostUS Marines or Army (can't recall which) specified similar looking DMR weapon and fire controls for exactly these reasons in their most recent tender.
Having such a distinctive looking weapon as the AUG will always make soldiers stand out from others, if because the AUG looks completely different to most other armies AR type platforms or an AR platform makes ARW, etc. stand out against reg troops here.
Is this the start of the re-introduction of 7.62 as the standard roundFor now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Originally posted by X-RayOne View PostUS Marines or Army (can't recall which) specified similar looking DMR weapon and fire controls for exactly these reasons in their most recent tender.
Having such a distinctive looking weapon as the AUG will always make soldiers stand out from others, if because the AUG looks completely different to most other armies AR type platforms or an AR platform makes ARW, etc. stand out against reg troops here.
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Originally posted by na grohmiti View PostI think not. Once it was accepted the 7.62 would remain the calibre of choice for the squad fire support, then having more than one weapon of that calibre was inevitable. Indeed, with the M203 you are dealing with 3 calibres in a section already.An army is power. Its entire purpose is to coerce others. This power can not be used carelessly or recklessly. This power can do great harm. We have seen more suffering than any man should ever see, and if there is going to be an end to it, it must be an end that justifies the cost. Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain
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My contenders would be the following;
From HK the G28
https://www.heckler-koch.com/en/prod...ical-data.html
From FN the Scar Mk20 (aka Scar 20S)
https://fnamerica.com/products/rifles/fn-mk20-ssr/
From LMT the L129A1
https://lmtdefense.com/product/lm308ssr/
From IWI the Tavor 7
https://iwi.net/iwi-tavor-rifle/tavor-7/
And as wild card from Desert Tec the MDRX
https://deserttech.com/mdr.php
All come in either 7.62x51 or 6.5 Creedmoor (except Tavor), and with a 16" or 20" barrel options.
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Originally posted by EUFighter View PostMy contenders would be the following;
From HK the G28
https://www.heckler-koch.com/en/prod...ical-data.html
From FN the Scar Mk20 (aka Scar 20S)
https://fnamerica.com/products/rifles/fn-mk20-ssr/
From LMT the L129A1
https://lmtdefense.com/product/lm308ssr/
From IWI the Tavor 7
https://iwi.net/iwi-tavor-rifle/tavor-7/
And as wild card from Desert Tec the MDRX
https://deserttech.com/mdr.php
All come in either 7.62x51 or 6.5 Creedmoor (except Tavor), and with a 16" or 20" barrel options.
So HK and LMT it is.
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Nope.Still in play."Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.
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Originally posted by EUFighter View PostMy contenders would be the following;
From HK the G28
From FN the Scar Mk20 (aka Scar 20S)
From LMT the L129A1
From IWI the Tavor 7
And as wild card from Desert Tec the MDRX
MDR - Innovative Design, Portable, Adaptable, Ambidextrous. View its Specifications, Reviews, In The Media, Important Information, and Gallery.
All come in either 7.62x51 or 6.5 Creedmoor (except Tavor), and with a 16" or 20" barrel options."Those who have long enjoyed such privileges as we enjoy forget in time that men have died to win them." - Franklin D. Roosevelt
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Originally posted by na grohmiti View PostEverything ground to a halt awaiting CoDF..."Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.
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