New 4x4

[Hello Alaska]

THE PAJERO IS SHITE.

Whoever decided it was a good buy for operational duties, should never work in procurement ever, ever again.

[paul g]

Not trying to be smart here, but if let's say, you're a CIS Rebro Det, Tactical HQ, or Out Det, a role whereby small teams work in isolation within the AO. Are you saying that they all cut about in RG-32s and MOWAGs? Or are they not mounted in soft skins with trailers in tow? If it is the case of the latter, then wouldn't it make sense to have a vehicle that you can operate tactically from, instead of buying what you're saying is basically a sexed up pool car??

Wasn't the Rg-32 CIS variant acquired for rebro overseas.

[SwiftandSure]

Did someone say DURO?

While the DURO seems like a good bit of kit, is it the workhorse of the CIS fleet (in keeping with the aforementioned example)? Are all the Out Dets, Rebros, Tac HQs DURO mounted? Genuine question.

[Come-quickly]

While the DURO seems like a good bit of kit, is it the workhorse of the CIS fleet (in keeping with the aforementioned example)? Are all the Out Dets, Rebros, Tac HQs DURO mounted? Genuine question.

No. we have at most a handful split between different roles.

My argument has long been that we should have standardised on the DURO for anything remotely warlike and used the various civvy staff cars/Transits/minivans for anything else.

[paul]

Loosely connected but didn't I read somewhere that a type of bulletproof glass has been developed that provides protection from outside the vehicle but allows occupants to fire out through the glass?

Like the windows on this RG-31? Other then that it seems like a stupid idea to me

[Saab]

My argument has long been that we should have standardised on the DURO for anything remotely warlike and used the various civvy staff cars/Transits/minivans for anything else.

So where does the normal day to day work of the small such as escourt / security duties fall?

You can't say its war like. Not even remotely!!!!

So by this arguement the Pajero is fine!!!!

[Come-quickly]

So where does the normal day to day work of the small such as escourt / security duties fall?

You can't say its war like. Not even remotely!!!!

So by this arguement the Pajero is fine!!!!

An armed escort by the army is very much warlike, as in not war but based on the drills and contingencies developed for the possibility of contact with an armed enemy.

If there was no possibility of attack they wouldn't need to be there in the first place. Defining a security duty that requires the wearing of CBA and the carriage of rifles & ammunition as being somehow a risk free non tactical scenario is beyond facetious.

But ah sure lads, let's leave the Bren in the lorry, it'll be grand sure.

[BANDIT]

Come Quickly post raises the entire issue of how to strike the balance between threat levels , the deployment of police, army for semi political reasons , the role ( real, percieved, actual) of the DF and how to provide the necessary training and equipment to address all of these roles.
But back on topic, do u really think that the current set up of an escort with Pajeros is a response to a significant threat of an attack. I do not think so..
If there was a significant threat then issues such as regular routes and timings need to addressed. Peop;e know that the cash escort is arr on Thursday etc.. Brinksmat, etc and all the bank staff also know,,,
If only pajeros were available .. take off the doors, , c ut a whole in the roof for a guy to be on top. remove air bags, consider ballistic mats around the driver ,,,, etc etc.. so u will get wet but if u were about to be attacked then thats acceptable.. Have several unmarked cars with uniformed troops/ armed gardai acting as A QRF in various key locations and checking on escort routes etc..
The same crap went on on the Border in the past. Four guys with a cop doing CPs on roads, no back up , would take an hour for anybody to arrrive. XXX rOUNDS ETC.. POSTS positioned in places that a guy with a 22 could take out.. eg H 2 flagstaff etc .

[Bravo20]

MOD: Get back on topic, this thread is not about CIT

[Saab]

MOD: Get back on topic, this thread is not about CIT

Correct burt it is about the 4x4 and its role.

The point of suitability cannot be discussed in such an abstract manner as not to mention how the vehicle is used.

If I stand on a street corner in Dublin, not necessarily in Rathmines of Cabra, I will see the DF travelling about.

Most of the times they will be in either small vehicles or transits.

For every 50 that would pass by I'ed guess only 1 or two would be doing some sort of escourt duty.

And this is the real point.

The vehicles have to be able to do what i8is required. If the vehicle will only be doing warlike work for 1% of its life then it is hardly inadiquate.

[paul]

Why couldn't we get something like the Singapore Armed Force's have?

Ford everest, looks like it ticks all the boxes to me. I know they aren't sold in Ireland but its still a ford, the biggest dumbass of a mechanic could fix it

[Goldie fish]

Ford Ranger LWB?Looks no different to a patrol, to be honest. Or a Navarra with a few more seats. The Roof rack and bumper bling is the only thing that makes it look different.
Plus singaporeans are physically smaller in stature than europeans.

[REX]

its still a ford, the biggest dumbass of a mechanic could fix it

I'm sure with such a fine opinion of mechanics you'll have no problem getting someone to fix it

But seriously there is no such thing as a simple vehicle anymore, and the addition af the extra systems the DF requires just complicates matters, especially electrically

[RoyalGreenJacket]

what Land Rovers do the Irish DF currently have?

the new (now old) Land Rover Wolfs we have are pretty awesome and a very different beast to the old Defenders.

if anyone hasn't been in one or seen one then i recommend you think again before you think of the new Land Rover as just another old Defender.

[apc]

http://www.etenders.gov.ie/search/sh...x?ID=JAN305395

Be interesting to see which 4x4 chassis will be selected for this tender