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    News on the tender

    DoD press release

    PRESS RELEASE

    Evaluation of Air Corps Helicopter Tenders is Underway

    The Minister for Defence, Mr. Michael Smith T. D., is pleased to announce
    that the process of evaluating the tenders received in the competition for
    light utility and utility helicopters has commenced.

    The Tender Competition is for the supply of:

    (i) two (2) new twin-engine light utility military helicopters which
    will be operated by the Air Corps, primarily in the military pilot/aircrew
    training role but with additional general-purpose roles.

    (ii) four (4) new twin-engine utility military helicopters (with an
    option for two (2) more) which will be operated by the Air Corps in a
    general-purpose military operational and training role. These
    helicopters must have the capability to carry eight fully-equipped troops
    in addition to two crew.

    Tenders were received from three vendors:
    Augusta Westland,
    Eurocopter and
    Sikorski.

    An Evaluation Team made up of military and civilian personnel is currently
    examining the tenders. It is expected that the Team will complete its work
    by the end of October.

    The Minister plans to place the contract for these new helicopters before
    the end of the year.
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    Bugger.

    Who are sikorski?


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    They make sausages

    http://www.sikorskisausages.com/

    I couldn't resist looking that up.
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    In light of the 3 companies bids, its looks a certain for the 4 +2 Sikorsky UH-60 Black Hawk .

    The Minister plans to place the contract for these new helicopters before
    the end of the year
    No he wont, he will be sitting on the back benches looking on

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    Im confused now(nothing new although mixing medications and alcohol is brining it along nicely tonight) Bell hellicopters is not submitting a bid, or can they bid later?

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    It looks like the UH-1Y is definitely out.

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    What makes you say that?


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    http://breaking.examiner.ie/2004/08/13/story161647.html

    Air Corps to get six new helicopters
    13/08/2004 - 18:02:40

    The Department of Defence is to buy six new helicopters for the Air Corps in a revival of a deal which was abandoned two years ago, it emerged tonight.

    A contract for four helicopters capable of carrying eight troops, as well as two lighter military helicopters, will be signed before the end of the year.

    The deal, believed to be worth between €30m and €50m, was abandoned in 2002 due to budget cutbacks at the Department of Defence.

    At the time, Defence Minister Michael Smith had begun final negotiations on the purchase of five helicopters with the US company Sikorksy, which had promised to provide €125m of work to safeguard jobs in the Dublin maintenance company FLS Aerospace.

    Another rival bidder, Eurocopter, which had been recommended by the Department of Defence’s expert group, had begun a legal challenge in the High Court to prevent the contract being awarded.

    Now both Sikorsky and Eurocopter, along with the Anglo-Italian Augusta Westland company, have sent in tenders for the new contract which is for six helicopters, with an option for two more.

    The Air Corps currently has 13 helicopters, including Alouette models which are up to 40 years old.

    Some of the helicopters may be sold off when the new models come into service next year.

    A Department of Defence spokesman said:

    “The Alouette helicopters are great because they go forever. But there’s a lot of downtime on the ground to keep them in the air. The new modern helicopters have a lot less downtime – maintenance costs money, so they’ll be cheaper to run.”

    The contract will be awarded before the end of the year and the Department of Defence expects the first of the new helicopters to come into service next year.

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    Please God don`t be Eurocopter unless they are offering the Cougar. Sikorsky looks like the best option there unless of course AgustaWestland want to give us the NH-90 or Merlin
    Here`s Agustawestlands heli`s: http://www.agustawestland.com/products.asp
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    Examiner Know nothing. They assume this is a continuation of the MLH contract.
    The DOD Spokesman reads a lot like something i read on irishairpics.com....


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    I posted an article in news, here is the link

    http://www.irishmilitaryonline.com/b...&threadid=4104
    Last edited by andy; 14th August 2004 at 14:35.

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    Why can't I find this press release anywhere other than here? Its not on the DoD website..

    Also:
    Dear Mr. goldie fish,

    In relation to the Helicopter competition I wish to inform you that no
    details will be released until after the contract has been awarded.

    Regards,

    A Civil Servant,
    Contracts Branch.
    6th August 2004.


    Names changed to protect the innocent/guilty


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    I cannot see how either the AB139 or EC145 can fit the criteria.


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    The EC-145 certainly cant as its certified as a military heli and I think , correct me if I`m wrong here, the tender states that only military heli`s will be considered.
    As far as I can see the only reason the AB139 wouldn`t be eligible is that there are none in service with any airforces yet(although several have ordered them).
    If Agusta are chosen we could find ourselves have 2 A109s and 4 Lynx`s.
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    New helicopter fleet to cost €50m
    Irish Independent

    A ORDER worth more then €50m for six new helicopters - four of them armed and able to carry up to 32 elite Army Rangers in one lift - is to be placed before the end of the year, it emerged yesterday.

    Three of the world's top helicopter manufacturers are competing for the lucrative contract with the Department of Defence for a new fleet of helicopters for the Irish Air Corps.

    Four utility helicopters, each capable of being armed with two GPMG machineguns and a variety of other weapons and with the ability to carry eight soldiers each, will be bought.

    They will have a primary role operating and training with Ireland's Special Forces, the Army Ranger Wing, along with other tasks. There is also an option to buy two more.

    Two light utility choppers will be used mainly for training but all six helicopters will also be available for VIP transport, air ambulance and aid to the civil community.

    The three firms confirmed yesterday to the Irish Independent what type of aircraft they will be offering:

    * Agusta Westland: Their small A109 which has been bought by Italy, South Africa and other countries and their new larger AB 139.

    * Sikorsky: The US firm will offer two versions of their famous Blackhawk helicopter. There are 2,500 Blackhawks in use with many countries, while their smaller S-76 will also be on offer.

    * Eurcopter: This group will offer their EC-145 for the utility role and their smaller EC-135, already in use with the Gardai, for the light utility chopper.

    The privatisation of search and rescue operations means the Air Corps is now being given more traditional military roles providing more air mobility to the army.

    Defence Minister Michael Smith said yesterday that a team of military and civilian personnel which is examining the tenders is expected to complete its work by the end of October and it is hoped to place the contract for the new helicopters before the end of the year.

    Don Lavery

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    Post Deal to buy 6 helicopters revived

    Daniel McConnell
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    14th August 2004

    The Department of Defence has announced it is to buy six new helicopters for the Air Corps in a revival of a deal which was abandoned two years ago.

    A contract for four helicopters capable of carrying eight troops, as well as two lighter military helicopters, will be signed before the end of the year.
    The deal, announced yesterday is estimated to be worth between €30 and €50 million and was abandoned in 2002 due to cutbacks at the Department of Defence.

    “What this means is that we are going to spend a lot of taxpayers money to give the Air Corps new helicopters. A large section of the existing fleet is approaching the end of its life and needs replacing,” said Mr Jack McConnell, a spokesman for the Department of Defence.

    He denied that they were any concerns over the safety of current craft, adding that if there were, “we wouldn’t fly them”.

    The first time, Defence Minister Michael Smith has begun final negotiations on the purchase of five helicopters with the US Company Sikorksy, which had promised to provide €125million of work to safeguard jobs in the Dublin maintenance company FLS Aerospace. Another rival bidder, Eurocopter, which had been recommended by the Department of Defence’s expert group, had begun a legal challenge in the High Court to prevent the contract being awarded.

    Now both Sikorsky and Eurocopter, along with the Anglo-Italian Augusta Westland Company, have sent in tenders for the new contract which is for six helicopters with an option for two more.

    The Air Corps currently has 13 helicopters including the Alouette models which are up to 40 years old. Some of the helicopters may be sold off when the new models come into service next year.

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    I wont be surprised to see 2 EC145:(

    six new helicopters for the Air Corps in a revival of a deal which was abandoned two years ago
    Is that really correct? i thought this tender was completely different to the medium life helicopter tender.

    Some of the helicopters may be sold off when the new models come into service next year.
    The new helis are coming into service NEXT year ? has the irish times got their info right?

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    I think so. The article at the top says the order will come in by the end of this year, so it will be several months before they are delivered and put into service.
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    I think they are being a bit simplistic about the "revival of a deal which was abandoned two years ago" bit.
    It is a completely different contract with totally different requirments...

    Then again to SOME of the media a helicopter is a helicopter..(in the same way a Panhard is a tank).


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    it looks like the only one even close to wath the blackhawk can offer is the AB 139

    A109


    AB 139


    Sikorsky Blackhawk


    Sikorsky S-76


    Eurocopter EC 145


    Eurocopter EC 135
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    It was in the Sunday indo today, the MLH contract has been abandoned, the DF submitted a list of defence kit they want and thehelo's were not on it:(

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    MLH contract was cancelled years ago.Nothing new there.The new contracts for LUH`s and UH`s not MLHs.
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    Originally posted by futurepilot
    MLH contract was cancelled years ago.Nothing new there.The new contracts for LUH`s and UH`s not MLHs.

    The MLH contract was not cancelled, it was postponed now it's cancelled and the reason I put it in was, there were post's above about it:p

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    Earlier this year, I was talking to two Air Corps pilots and they said the new helicopters would be Blackhawks. What they told me was that if we bought four or more from Sikorsky we could expect a similar number second-hand from surplus US Army stocks. They told me the Blackhawk was going to be be selected for two reasons - the Government feels it 'owes' Sikorsky over the S92 debacle and the Rangers want the BH having trained on it in the States and used it action in Timor with the Aussies.

    I didn't really believe it at the time because I know that over the years the Goverment has repeatedly turned down offers of surplus equipment, particularly from the Americans, not wanting to be seen to be too close to the Yanks on defence matters and all that. However, seeing as the Blackhawk is clearly the front-runner from the list published in yesterday's Indo - and the ARW wants it - maybe this has more credibility than it looks on the surface.

    On a related matter, why has the NH90 not been submitted or sought alongside the Blackhawk? I just ask because in every other major utility helicopter competition these two go head-to-head. The NH90 is of similar size and specs to the BH, although it can carry more troops and has a rear ramp, and is thus more versatile. The NH90 is not large enough to be an MLH alongside the EH101, S92 or the largest Cougar, and would have been a better option than the AB139. If it wins the Aussie contest for a new utility helicopter, against more and upgraded Blackhawks which the Aussies already use, we may have cause to regret not having it in for the Air Corps contract.

    The Aussies have been offered 40 NH90s, compared to 48 Blackhawks for their new contract. The Blackhawks will be a mixture of upgrades of the 36 currently in service and new builds to make-up the 48. Both companies have partners in Aus for local manufacture, with Eurocopter's partner already building 18 (out of 22 ordered) Tiger attack helicopters for the Aussies. Both platforms share many common components so that places NH90 in strong position. On the flip side, the Blackhawk has been in service for more than a decade and it may just be a case of better the devil you know. If NH90 wins then it will be a big pointer to what is the better helicopter because this Aussie govt is as close to the Bush administration as you can get. If the Blackhawk can't win with the odds stacked so heavily in its favour then it the NH90 must have serious advantages over it.

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    Dept of Defence drops large helicopter contract
    Don Lavery
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    15/08/2004

    The Department of Defence has conceded that buying large helicopters to carry Defence Forces vehicles and troops is “not an immediate priority”, after a €100 tender competition debacle ended in the programme being cancelled.
    A proposal to buy medium lift helicopters, able to carry at least 18 soldiers or a jeep, and awarded to the US firm Sikorsky in 2002, was cancelled by Defence Minister Michael Smith as part of cutbacks.
    It happened amid threats of legal action by losing competitors. There were also claims that investment proposals made by the US firm had played a part in the contract being awarded to them.
    Yesterday a Department spokesman said the Irish Air Corps had submitted a list of priorities for equipment purchases but large helicopters were down the list.
    Two of the five helicopters bought in 2002 were for carrying relatively large numbers of troops and vehicles and that requirement still exists. Irish troops operating in Liberia have used giant Ukrainian Army helicopters to move troops and armoured vehicles hundreds of kilometres for patrols.
    However a new tender competition, for four utility and two light helicopters , worth at least €50m, is under way- and the same competitors, including Sikorsky, are also tendering for this new contract.
    The utility helicopters will be mainly used by Army Rangers and will each be able to carry eight heavily armed soldiers. The aircraft will each be armed with two General Purpose machine guns plus a range of other weapons, and will be available for a variety of other tasks.
    Defence Minister Michael Smith said a contract for the six new helicopters will be placed by the end of the year.

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