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For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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I can't see how they came up with €15m, I could understand €5m. Anyway, the civi dock workers wouldn't cost that amount as they could be contracted in as needed and the NS could have someone qualified as a dockmaster and have the dock work as additional duties of some of the shore based NS personnel.
There is no reason as to why the graving dock should not be repaired and no reason as to why the NS could have qualified personnel to dock the ships or contract that work out.
In any event, the Rushbrooke graving dock WILL close in the coming years and then the NS will be up shit creek without a paddle.
I know it's something hard for people in this country to do, but a bit of forward thinking can go a long way.
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The NS is way under establishment for Lt, S/Lt, CPO, PO and LS's. In some cases 25% under establishment!
NS personnel (plus civvies) already do all maintenance apart from drydock (supported by specialist contractors as required). If you use existing NS personnel your only choice is likely to be the crew (who do other maintenance during the drydocking) and that would mean being in drydock longer.
If Cork Dockyard isn't getting any civvy work then a PPP at Haulbowline isn't likely to either so that would jack up the price/make it more difficult to find a partner (UK dockyards may not be willing due to competition (and their Government placing orders for ships that they don't necessarily need). So the NS doesn't recruit/promote to its existing establishment, and this would require an increase
I read somewhere that the pumps date from 1912 and don't know how long the drydock is out of commission but would imagine it is over 20 years min. Then you have new equipment/machinery to buy in. Plus it is likely to be specialist work.
Don't get me wrong I'm for it but there will be a high cost and it will be ongoing. The facility will fully utilised and it may not be good VFM.
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If Cork Dockyard closed and there was no other option they could always go to Dublin Graving Docks (accommodation in McKee)?!
Again there are downsides. For example, higher fuel cost and lack of ready access to other NS maintenance personnel. And if Dublin Port Company gets it way it will close.
Off island is an option but you'll have higher accommodation costs and fuel costs (and loss of patrol days) to get there & back. As well as lack of access to other NS personnel.Last edited by DeV; 14 May 2015, 09:20.
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If Cork Dockyard closed and there was no other option they could always go to Dublin Graving Docks (accommodation in McKee)?!
The Navy clearly need the dry dock facility,
(a) repair and refurbish the one in Haulbowline
(b) continue to use the Cork Harbour facility and buy it outright for use by the NS should it close.Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe
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Originally posted by hptmurphy View PostLast time I was in drydock in Dublin, the crew lived in aboard ship. No reason the ship can't accommodate its crew while in dry dock.
The Navy clearly need the dry dock facility,
(a) repair and refurbish the one in Haulbowline
(b) continue to use the Cork Harbour facility and buy it outright for use by the NS should it close.
True, unless they are working on the accommodation (but that would normally occur during annual refit), I don't think you have heads or ablutions in a drydock (you have to use dock facilities), would also possibly depend on galley and messes being available. But in Dublin, McKee is nearby if necessary.
Absolutely access to a drydock is definitely required:
IMHO option (b) wouldn't make sense and it would more cost effective to go option (a) if Cork Drydock and Dublin Graving Dock are not available.
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Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Postyou could end up with a need to hire in a floating dock, if they are not prepared to fix the graving dock. Nothing beats having your own facility.
There is what looks like one in the pics of Cork Dockyard is it used and how serviceable is it?
There are a few of the right size (up to an EPV and bigger) on the market for €1-3 million
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Originally posted by DeV View PostYou could but would you then need to put it in the Basin? Would it fit and if it did would it take up too much space?
There is what looks like one in the pics of Cork Dockyard is it used and how serviceable is it?
There are a few of the right size (up to an EPV and bigger) on the market for €1-3 million
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Originally posted by The real Jack View PostHow many drydocks are in Ireland? So there's one in Cork, the disused one in the Basin, a small ones in New Ross & Arklow and presumably one or 2 in Dublin?
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