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  • The Biggest delay is usually the Tendering and design process. This has been underway for some time.
    GF, just for clarity, does this mean the formal tendering process has already commenced, and therefore there will be no further need for a competitive tendering process just the issueing of contracts?

    IAS

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    • No.


      Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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      • More OPV designs

        I think we posted this design before. It's the Chilean Navy OPV,designed by a German company & will be powered by Wartsila engines (smaller kW Power output than P51 class though).



        Length over all:80,60 m
        Beam moulded:13,00 m
        Draught:3,80 m
        Displacement:1.850 t
        Special Features
        Anti rolling tank, Helicopter platform, Deck crane SWL 4 t at 10 m, Two service boats (RIB's) under single point davits with wave compensation, Water ballast 250 m³, Modular platform concept for simple integration of different combat systems, x-shaped hull to reduce radar cross section. Special rescue zone.

        Anti rolling tank - very good feature.



        Their 60m PV looks like a big Sandown Class MCMV, is also a bit slower than CPV's.

        Length over all:60,00 m
        Beam moulded:10,20 m
        Draught:2,60 m
        Displacement:605 t
        Speed:22 knots
        Range: 2.000 miles at 12 knots

        A greater range of designs are at the following link:

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        • Is it a Water filled Anti rolling tank system or a rack mounted counter weight with canards?
          "The Question is not: how far you will take this? The Question is do you possess the constitution to go as far as is needed?"

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          • It seems after the last month or so, that whoever said the navy needed bigger ships probably had a point!
            Fail to prepare....prepare to FAIL!

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            • It must have been pretty nasty out at sea over the last few weeks. We seem to be experiencing something akin to a mini hurricaine season.


              Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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              • Given the relative success of the Guardian design, would it be worth placing bets that the Roisin type would be top of the list for a P21 replacement? Looking at the Otago, which will be operating in conditions not unlike out own, it would be nice to have more than one vessel with a helideck, and the build process for them was pretty quick.


                Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                • More Roisins would be a good type, A few 100 metre versions would be the job I'd say and with the bad weather you are talking about they seem to fare well what with the stabilisation systems.

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                  • I read in Yesterdays Newspaper(Examiner) that Fine Gael spokesman on Defence, Billy Timmins, has called for an increase in resources available to the Naval service to carry out their duties in ever worsening sea conditions.

                    i.e More ships.

                    Vote FG.


                    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                    • As this thread has noted, there are many choices of OPVs off the shelf the Irish could choose from. I have noted before New Zealand received options from 21 different shipyards. In my opinion New Zealand chose well, ordering a proper sea lift ship which can be used for training and off shore patrols, two helicopter equipped offshore patrol vessels similar to the new Irish OPVs, and four inshore patrol vessels sized large enough to deal with the roaring 40s.

                      While New Zealand will spread out the costs over a few years, they ordered enough ships at one time to see financial volume returns. Maybe its time Ireland ordered defence equipment in a similar matter, instead of buying a few of the same helicopters each year.

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                      • Today's Irish Times has an article (6/1/07 on page 4) on the subject of 3 new vessels for the NS.

                        Points to note are:

                        -Total cost in the region of €180m
                        -Half of that will go on a 120 meter vessel that will be able to take part in coastal patrols but also in peace support including transporting APCs.
                        -the other €90m will go on 2 approx 80m ships 'similar to the largest vessels in the current fleet' - presumably a reference to the P50 class
                        -a group of civil servants and DF officers are to bring recommendations to the MinDef, who is expected to bring proposals to cabinet 'by the middle of the year'. Funnily enough.
                        -this would be the single largest defence contract in the history of the state (not that this would be difficult to do)

                        Its also worth noting that the article was written by Liam Reid (political reporter) rather than Lorna Siggins.

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                        • Hurrah!

                          Is it online?
                          €45m will get you a lot of LPV.

                          Thats not far off what the Kiwis spent for their entire replacement program.


                          Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                          • they also need to shell out a few bob

                            to recruit a few more salior laddies and laddess

                            and they need to throw a few bob into pay in order tokeep these


                            The crews of the new vessels will be roughly the same as the current ones , i.e. 45 - 50. They whole deal is that the new replacement ships will be bigger and more comfortable for the crews, thereby making conditions more bearable.

                            Going forward though, a nice increase in sea going allowance will be required.

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                            • Okay according to the paper €80 million is going to be spent on 2 x 80 metre vessels. The Roisin and Niamh were commissioned in 1999 and 2001, they cost a total of €50 million. Hopefully inflation isn't that much and these will be state of the art naval vessels.

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                              • Great news for the naval service and a major step up in our rapid reaction capability. Any ideas will the 120m vessel include a heli deck?
                                "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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