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  • what about the place in scotland bulding for the Rn now?

    the ones that ****ed the boat up when they launched it!
    The trick to pet names is a combination of affectionate nouns. Honeybun. Sugarpie. Kittentits.

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    • Boat? The Navy don't need more boats, it needs more SHIPS.
      Like H&W, few of the UK dockyards are able to build with the same speed or quality as the Polish, Duch or (Former east)German yards.


      Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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      • ok sorry ship.......
        The trick to pet names is a combination of affectionate nouns. Honeybun. Sugarpie. Kittentits.

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        • Hi ias
          Have you that much faith in the Loyal Orange Order of Shipwrights? Like Goldie said, get the East Europeans to churn one out and fit it up. How about getting an ocean-going tug/supply vessel instead? Goldie, does the navy practise refuelling at sea? If one was engaged in a SAR far out into the Atlantic, it would be nice to top up in situ rather than running for Killybegs or someplace like that.
          regards
          GttC

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          • Goldie is right, build the hull in Poland (or Romania) and complete the fit in Germany or Norway, the entire project managed by a private sector contractor from the first steel cut to the delivery to, and formal acceptance as 'fit for purpose' by the NS.

            More to the point, the size of the dry dock in Rushbrook should not be the limiting factor in terms of size.

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            • The NS do not do refuelling at sea because they don't need to. Because they lack fuel intensive gas turbines,and do most of their operations at a relatively low speed, they have a much longer endurance than larger vessels.


              Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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              • Poland it is then. Them lot will work an 80 hour week for less than minimum wage here.


                Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                • As many Irish employers discovered after the EU enlargement!!!
                  What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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                  • They also have the highest unemployment in the EU.


                    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                    • Singaporean version of a Blue/Green Ship

                      This is the largest class of ship in the RSN and they belong to the 191 Squadron. They were designed and built locally to replace the old County-Class LSTs. She is fitted with modern technologies, a well dock, flight deck and 4 Fast Craft Equipment Personnel (FCEP) for manpower efficiency.

                      Length
                      141 meters

                      Beam
                      21 meters

                      Displacement
                      6,000 tonnes

                      Speed
                      15 to 20 knots

                      Crew
                      65 officers & men

                      Weapons
                      76 mm OTO MELARA SRGM
                      MISTRAL Surface-to-Air Missiles
                      CIS Machine Guns


                      'This is what Singapore has built as their version of a Blue/Green Ship'.
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                      • she's pretty sizable, for what the NS would want isn't she?
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                        • RSS Endurance is the vessel,that's classified as an LST.


                          Not quite blue/green. However they did play a large part in the Tsunami relief operation.


                          Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                          • Ultimately I think its going to be the weather that will drive what the Irish Navy get. There are loads of reports already showing the waves are getting bigger off the west coast and there is evidence that this will continue into the coming decade - so if the Naval lads and girls are to remain safe in their workplace at sea they will need a or some larger ship(s) if they are to stay offshore - otherwise they will have to run ahead of the weather every time there is a storm.

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                            • Waves etc. Isnt the west coast of scotland the north coast of ireland?


                              Get all of the latest news from The Scotsman. Providing a fresh perspective for online news.

                              Sun 2 Apr 2006

                              'Perfect wave' breaks off Scotland
                              TOBY MCDONALD AND ARTHUR MACMILLAN

                              IT IS straight out of a nightmare: a wave almost 100ft high bears down on your helpless vessel miles from the safety of the shore.

                              But that is exactly what a team of British scientists faced while conducting experiments off the west coast of Scotland.

                              And the wave they measured - at just over 95ft from crest to trough - was the highest-ever scientifically recorded on the planet.

                              The monster wave equal to the height of a 10-storey building, battered a team from the National Oceanography Centre (NOC) as they sailed near the tiny island of Rockall, in the Outer Hebrides.

                              The real-life 'Perfect Storm' occurred in February 2000, but the details have only now emerged in a scientific paper for the Geophysical Research Letters Journal.

                              Dr Naomi Holliday, a senior scientist with the NOC, has described the extent of the tempestuous storm, which occurred on February 8, 2000 - 175 miles west of the mainland.

                              Holliday said: "It was pretty horrendous. We were literally thrown out of our bunks. It's really quite hard to imagine if you haven't been in a ship that's moving around that much.

                              "I've seen the The Perfect Storm. It was a great film, I really enjoyed it. I just never thought I would live it."

                              Higher waves have been estimated since, including 98ft in the Gulf of Mexico during Hurricane Ivan in 2004, and the October 1991 'Perfect Storm' off the north-eastern US, depicted in the movie starring George Clooney.

                              The significance of the Rockall event is that the height of the sea was measured by an onboard wave recorder, making it officially the biggest ever.

                              The NOC's boat, RSS Discovery, a successor vessel to Captain Robert Falcon Scott's ship, was stranded by storms for five days, with waves averaging 61ft. Wind speeds hit the severe gale category.

                              The 295ft-long vessel was in the area to conduct experiments on global warming, but the onboard instruments were also capable of accurately measuring wave height.

                              Holliday said: "Very strong winds are common here all the year round. The point is that all of these previously high measured waves were under hurricane conditions - really extreme conditions, but our big waves weren't. These are not especially unusual conditions. It wasn't just a one-off."

                              The ship's officers had to point the ship's bow into the wind - but with waves rolling from more than one direction navigation remained difficult.

                              The engines continually operated at full speed to keep the ship in position. And at night it was especially difficult because the crew could not see the waves coming.

                              Holliday said: "We had five days when we were hove to and not able to turn around and run for cover. But there was a period of 36 hours when it was particularly bad. It wasn't something I would care to repeat. It was pretty mad.

                              "It was a huge challenge for them to keep the ship safe. One mistake and it could have been swamped."

                              She said American scientists monitoring hurricane-related wave heights had used two sources to reach their record figures - a combination of unmanned buoys and data gathered later.

                              "They took the wave measurements by the buoy and compared them to the wave estimates from the model and drew some conclusions about the maximum wave heights they might have had," said Holliday.

                              "The difference is, ours are directly recorded. The only ones that are provable are ours."

                              Colin Griffiths, of the Centre for Coastal and Marine Sciences in Dunstaffnage, Oban, was also on the expedition.

                              He said last night: "I spend a lot of time at sea and the weather was relentlessly extreme. It is only because we had wave recorders that we now know about the 95ft wave.

                              "The fact that we measured it will mean that it can be accepted by a scientific journal.

                              "We were thrown out of our bunks and sleeping became very difficult. I had a chair land on top of me in my bunk.

                              "It's really quite hard to imagine if you haven't been in a ship that is moving around that much. But up on the bridge it must have been far, far worse.

                              "I have a tremendous amount of respect for the crew and the officers of the ship who managed to keep us all alive."

                              The researchers believe the discovery of such a huge wave amid relatively low, non-hurricane wind speeds could have implications for oil exploration on Britain's Atlantic shelf.

                              Holliday believes the extreme waves were caused by a resonance effect.

                              It occurs when the wind velocity matches the speed of the waves, resulting in wind continually feeding energy into the sea.

                              She said: "Energy was continually being put into this wave group. This was pretty close to the maximum height that the waves could have got to. This is the edge of the Atlantic Shelf where a lot of exploration is going on.

                              "These new figures are going to be quite significant. Engineers who are trying to design ships and oil platforms will have to think again."


                              Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                              • RRS Discovery due in Cork in July

                                The research ship mentioned is due in Cork in July.
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