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  • Why we need bigger ships?

    Attempt to increase Ireland's territorial waters



    Paul Cunningham, Environment Correspondent, reports on talks at the United Nations in New York


    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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    • New Danish Patrol Vessels

      Pics of the new Danish Patrol Vessels for Arctic Waters, i.e. Greenland and the Faeroes.


      Design of the new arctic patrol vessels; the foredeck holds a container position, so a Danish standard 76 mm Gun M/85 can easily be fitted.


      Aft there is a helo deck, but the vessels will have no hangar facilities to accomodate a helicopter on board, and a ramp for the landing craft.


      The first hull for the new arctic patrol vessels arrived last week at Karstensens Ship Yard in Skagen.

      Type:Arctic Patrol Vessel
      Units in Class:2
      Built:2005-2008
      Dimensions:
      Length:61.0 m
      Beam: 14.6 m
      Draught: 4.95 m
      Displacement:1,720 tons
      Complement:18 men (Accomodation for 43)
      Armament:2 - 12.7 mm Heavy Machine Guns
      Speed: 17 knots
      Range: 3.000 nautical miles

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      • Planned Spanish OPV's









        4 OPV's are planned in this class, one due in 2009, and 3 in 2010.
        Length: 93,90 mts.
        Beam: 14,20 mts.
        Displacement: 2.500 t.
        Max Speed: 20,5 kts.
        Max sustained speed: 19 kts.
        Patrol Speed: 10 kts.
        Sustainability: 35 Days.
        Range: 3500 nm @ 15 kts.
        Crew: 35 pers
        Transport Capacity: 35 pers.
        Surge Capacity: 80 pers.
        Heli Type: SH-3D, AB-212, NH-90.
        Container capability: 2 x 16 Tn or 3 x 5,5 Tn.
        Armament; 1 x 76mm, 2 x 25mm, 2 x 12.7mm.

        These seem like a very suitable option for the NS planned extended LPV.

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        • I don't see any Boarding RIBs


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          • Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
            I don't see any Boarding RIBs


            The hatch midships is where it would be stowed. Many navies are placing covers / hatches over their RIB Launching Areas. It serves a number of purposes:
            a. Helps reduce the RCS (Radar Cross Section) of the ship.
            b. Protects the crane and RIB from the marine environment, when it is not in use, thereby prolonging their life, especially the cranes.
            'Why have a crane exposed to one of the most corrosive environments 24/7, when you might only use it for 4-6 hrs a day!'

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            • Are they TEUs aft? Under the Helideck?


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              • Looks like it, the specifications say that it will be able to take a number of containers, I suppose like the UKRN HMS Clyde (the new Falklands Islands Patrol Vessel).

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                • It seems to be a popular Idea with many services, particularly considering the amount of self contained modules available in this size, Side Scan, Medical, Decompression etc.

                  If its good enough for Spains Atlantic waters It should be perfect for ours too.


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                  • Hvae to go with the Spanish option myself...seems to be a good allround concept.DElivery time would be my only concern. Given a 2010 date ..two PVs would be due to be out of service before aquiring replacements.

                    Wonder would leasing something in the short term cover the short fall that will take place or would the PVs be made to carry on until acceptance of new vessels?
                    Last edited by hptmurphy; 7 February 2007, 10:32.
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                    • If the cost of leasing was to eat into the shipbuilding budget, I think they'd just try to keep the PV's going until the new ships come online.

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                      • Hmm dunno where as building a ship would be seen as a capital cost and covered proabbly in large proportion by EU funding......leasing would be seen as an operational cost and would probably run eat into operational budgets not funded by the EU....so it would seem your line of thought along keeping the PVs in service is valid....unless the case could be put forward on..well if some one doesen't come up with the money..we won't have ships to carry out patrols.
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                        • I would think if a ship is in good shape at 30, there won't be much harm keeping the ship around a few more years. On the other hand, if a ship is in poor shape at 30, it should be discarded whether a ship has been built to replace it or not.

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                          • Minister for defence is due to present proposals for the fleet replacement program to cabinet by the middle of this year, according to Cork FF TD John Dennehy.

                            Assuming they have not been kicked out by then...


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                            • This looks about right for Fishery Protection.

                              Touch of irony about this

                              "The first of the type, FPV Sulisker was launched in 1980 and decommissioned late 2005. The vessel is currently undergoing conversion to a luxury yacht in Lowestoft"..

                              Sound familiar?
                              Last edited by hptmurphy; 14 March 2007, 18:01.
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                              • multi-role

                                Does the Naval Service have a requirement for a multi-role vessel that would combine capabilities such as emergency towing, diving support, pollution control, together with the usual patrol, surveillance and fishery protection jobs? Something along the lines of this Norwegian Coastguard ship:

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