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  • Those TDs need to learn their naval ranks: it's Commodore Mellett, not Commander.

    Is that €900,000 the total contribution from the EU towards the new OPVs?

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    • So far. They may give us more later on, as the actual construction and certification takes place.


      Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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      • The LE Eithne and LE Deirdre are being replaced
        Wrong again...

        Emer, Aoife and Aisling are to be replaced by the new builds.....


        Deputy Pearse Doherty

        asked the Minister for Defence the total cost for the provision of two new off shore patrol vessels for the Naval Service. [38662/11]
        use the search function or even Google, its been in the public domain for the past 12 months.

        I join Deputy Calleary in commending his fellow countyman, Commander Mellet, on his work at Haulbowline

        I reckon FOCNS is well impressed having to be associated with these two fcukwits because of his place of birth!!!!!

        Given they know little about the service he commands and the rank he holds
        Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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        • I have written to Dep. Stanton to correct him.


          Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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          • I thought they were only replacing 2 ships? so they are now reducing the fleet size!??
            "He is an enemy officer taken in battle and entitled to fair treatment."
            "No, sir. He's a sergeant, and they don't deserve no respect at all, sir. I should know. They're cunning and artful, if they're any good. I wouldn't mind if he was an officer, sir. But sergeants are clever."

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            • Originally posted by morpheus View Post
              I thought they were only replacing 2 ships? so they are now reducing the fleet size!??
              Where did you get that from?


              Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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              • Why do the Government have to pay VAT on capital purchases such as this? It means the Defence Budget needs to find more money to give another Department!

                If the TDs asking the questions (and what I assume is the Minister of State for Defence) actually cared they would read IMO find out the rank of the FOCNS, that there is a EPV that was supposed to be procured and that the NS aren't planning to replace the 2 newest vessels in the flotilla (or one has already been replaced)with these vessels!

                The Minister of State says further EU funding is unlikely!

                We are getting 2 OPVs (with an option of a 3rd) yet the following are now due for replacement:

                Emer - replacement was due in 2008
                Aoife - replacement was due in 2009
                Aisling - replacement was due in 2010

                The planning needs to start now for the replacement of the following (what they should have done is put in an option for a total of 5/6 OPVs!), bearing in mind that the tender was now published over 4 years ago, it took 3 years to award the contract and we will not get a new OPV for another 2years - you'd think we were building an aircraft carrier !!!!!

                Eithne - replacement is due in 2014
                Ciara - replacement is due in 2018
                Orla - replacement is due in 2018

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                • Ciara - replacement is due in 2018
                  Orla - replacement is due in 2018
                  Would be due in 2014 as would Eithne if you are dealing with the 30 year idea, as they were commissioned in 1988 but had been built in 1984.

                  The planning needs to start now for the replacement of the following (what they should have done is put in an option for a total of 5/6 OPVs!), bearing in mind that the tender was now published over 4 years ago, it took 3 years to award the contract and we will not get a new OPV for another 2years - you'd think we were building an aircraft carrier !!!!!
                  I reckon the NS are well up in the planning stages and know exactly what they want and when, just dependant who is the COS seat at the time, who is the driving seat at the department and who is in power.
                  Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                  • Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
                    Where did you get that from?
                    I got it from Seanachie post:

                    Originally posted by Seanachie View Post
                    Wrong again...

                    Emer, Aoife and Aisling are to be replaced by the new builds.....
                    Umless by new builds he was referring to the as yet unconfirmed EPV along with the two OPVs?
                    "He is an enemy officer taken in battle and entitled to fair treatment."
                    "No, sir. He's a sergeant, and they don't deserve no respect at all, sir. I should know. They're cunning and artful, if they're any good. I wouldn't mind if he was an officer, sir. But sergeants are clever."

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                    • Originally posted by morpheus View Post
                      I got it from Seanachie post:



                      Umless by new builds he was referring to the as yet unconfirmed EPV along with the two OPVs?
                      I see.
                      Well, seeing as his post must be the first post you have read in this thread, I have to remind you of the plan.
                      A tender for 2 OPVs with an option for one more.
                      On completion of the 2 x OPV contract, either the option will be exercised, OR
                      A tender for 1 EPV with an option for another.
                      The current replacement program, will in effect either see a minimum of 3 ships, or a maximum of 5.
                      This will replace the 3 P20 class which are overdue for retirement, and supliment L.E.Eithne, which by latest estimates, is expected to serve until she is 40 years old. She was built well. The replacement of the CPVs(Ciara and Orla) will be the next priority, but this will be a policy matter, rather than a replacement one. Do you get a like for like replacement, or instead replace a CPV with an OPV. The CPVs have proved quite limited in their usefulness, particularly in the 200mile EEZ, and much of th einshore work they used to do is now done by "other agencies".
                      So their direct replacement will probably be shaped by the next white paper.


                      Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                      • Umless by new builds he was referring to the as yet unconfirmed EPV along with the two OPVs
                        The current replacement program, will in effect either see a minimum of 3 ships, or a maximum of 5.

                        And the only confirmed replacements being the two now heading for the blocks!

                        This will replace the 3 P20 class which are overdue for retirement
                        Bit of a lottery if retaining one P21 class would be feasible while a third new build would be decided, so yes the P21s will be replaced but what the third replacement will be is the question being what will replace it.

                        The replacement of the CPVs(Ciara and Orla) will be the next priority, but this will be a policy matter, rather than a replacement one. Do you get a like for like replacement, or instead replace a CPV with an OPV. The CPVs have proved quite limited in their usefulness, particularly in the 200mile EEZ, and much of th einshore work they used to do is now done by "other agencies".
                        So their direct replacement will probably be shaped by the next white paper.
                        Given they have exceeded what was ever expected from them whatever they have left to offer in service will be a bonus given there limitations, but despite their failings , getting what they offer in any other hull size is nigh on near impossible.Everything about them in the modern service is wrong,but they can do aspects of the job that no vessel can.

                        Will be hard pushed to replace them without having to sacrifice some of their abilities.
                        Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                        • Brazilian Navy Signs Contract with BAE Systems for Supply of Three OPV’s



                          The Brazilian Navy has signed a contract worth £133 million with BAE Systems​​ for the supply of three Ocean Patrol Vessels and ancillary support services. The contract also contains a Manufacturing Licence to enable further vessels of the same class to be constructed in Brazil.
                          The three 90 metre vessels, originally constructed for the Government of Trinidad & Tobago, will provide the Brazilian Navy with enhanced maritime capability in the near term, pending the acquisition of future ships under its PROSUPER programme (Brazil’s current surface ship acquisition plan). The first two ships will be delivered in 2012 and the third will follow in early 2013.
                          As part of the Manufacturing Licence, a Design Information Package is provided which will contain the relevant design and manufacturing information to enable the Brazilian Navy to construct further Ocean Patrol Vessels in Brazil, helping to support the country’s naval re-equipment programme and strengthen Brazil’s maritime industrial capability.

                          Andrew Davies, Managing Director of BAE Systems’ Maritime business, said: “This is a significant step forward in our relationship with Brazil. The Ocean Patrol Vessels are highly capable ships and I am sure they will be a tremendous asset to the Brazilian Navy. We are looking forward to working together and hope this will be the start of a long term partnership with Brazil in the maritime sector.”
                          Rear Admiral Francisco Deiana, the Brazilian Navy’s Director of Naval Engineering, said: “The acquisition of these three Ocean Patrol Vessels from BAE Systems will make an important contribution to both our ability to provide security and protection to Brazil’s Jurisdictional Waters and to deliver our commitments to the Brazilian Maritime Authority. This procurement does not change the scope of our PROSUPER programme for the acquisition of future ships which also includes a further five Ocean Patrol Vessels of c.1,800 tonnes to be constructed in Brazil”
                          The Ocean Patrol Vessels are capable of speeds in excess of 25 knots and weigh 2,200 tonnes fully loaded. With a 30mm cannon and two 25mm guns, as well as a helicopter flight deck and a rigid inflatable boat, the ships are ideal for performing maritime security roles in Brazil’s territorial waters. Designed to accommodate a crew of up to 70, with additional accommodation for 50 embarked troops or passengers and ample deck space for container storage, the vessels are also effective for search and rescue and disaster relief operations.
                          The ships were originally built by BAE Systems for the Government of Trinidad and Tobago under a contract signed in 2007. This contract was terminated in late 2010 and BAE Systems has since marketed the vessels to interested countries. The first ship was constructed at the BAE Systems Portsmouth facility and the other two at its shipyard on the Clyde.

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                          • Nice catch for them. T&T will lose out big time.


                            Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                            • Originally posted by Seanachie View Post
                              I reckon the NS are well up in the planning stages and know exactly what they want and when, just dependant who is the COS seat at the time, who is the driving seat at the department and who is in power.
                              Really???

                              When were the OPV contract put out to tender and if it had been signed promptly how soon would they have been delivered?
                              How old were the vessels they were to replace but that stage?


                              Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
                              A tender for 1 EPV with an option for another.
                              The current replacement program, will in effect either see a minimum of 3 ships, or a maximum of 5.
                              The EPV contract is well on the shelf at this stage! Inspite of what the NS wants - how long from tender to first vessel for the OPVs?

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                              • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                                Really???

                                When were the OPV contract put out to tender and if it had been signed promptly how soon would they have been delivered?
                                How old were the vessels they were to replace but that stage?


                                The EPV contract is well on the shelf at this stage! Inspite of what the NS wants - how long from tender to first vessel for the OPVs?
                                Here we go again.
                                Dev, look around you. If you live in Ireland, or anywhere else, you will see that we are in the middle of a recession. Coming up with €190m for anything, let alone 3 ships, is a near impossibility, and the NS did well to secure a contract for 2 ships in the current climate. The EPV is not on the shelf. Trust me on that. Where the economy will be in 2014 will decide how we pay for it. As it stands, the delayed entry of the new ships into service is as a direct result of the McCarthy report. Prior to that the NS were ready for contracts in 2008 and had the economy not calved, and contracts signed at that stage, we could have had ships built by now. McCarthy decided ships would be replaced at 36 years, not 30 as originally planned.


                                Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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