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Originally posted by ias View PostA question that someone may be able to help me with?
He also mentioned in the same quote, something that is probably pretty obvious to you naval types, but to this landlubber was interesting "longer vessels can smaller engines" for the same performance and presumably lower cost.
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For example a ship like EITHNE could be fitted with much bigger engines and not achieve an increase in speed but the same engines might drive her along a few knots faster if her length overall was increased?
I heard a story that she is slower than she might have been because the instruction from the Department at the time, once they accepted a helo-capable ship was required, was that she should be the smallest size possible. This bean counting may have cost her several knots of forward speed for little or no saving.
I hope the approach improves for any new ship build.
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In what way is my comment on the EITHNE flawed? I pretty much say that the smallest package (as required by DOD) was not the most efficient (i.e. slower)... Don't we agree on this? I would love to know if you think that that rumour is true, because if so, it is nearly inexcusable meddling in the design of the ship!
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I posted this in the news section aswell, but I thought it might be ok for here too,
€100m vessel to boost navy strength
THE ship may have finally come in for the Department of Defence.
Yesterday Minister Willie O'Dea revealed his department is negotiating for one of the biggest ship replacement programmes in Irish naval history.
Mr O'Dea confirmed that the department is preparing for the decommissioning of three vessels over the next few years - and the possible introduction into the Irish fleet of a €100m multi-mission vessel that will dwarf existing patrol ships on the water.
He was speaking at Haulbowline Naval Base in Cork at a cadet commissioning ceremony.
He said that the number of ships ordered and their size will be dependent on negotiations with the Department of Finance in the coming months.
"They will come to the end of a 30-year lifespan which we take as the guideline for the life of a vessel," he said.
"We are committed to an eight-ship flotilla and we are committed to replacing ships."
Over the next three to four years, the Naval Service will see the LE Emer, LE Aoife and LE Aisling reach the end of their expected 30 year service lives. The Navy has already seen the introduction of two new ships in recent years - the LE Roisin and LE Niamh - at a cost of €50m. But the forthcoming acquisition programme will be the most expensive in Irish naval history.
Our picture shows a member of the Southern Brigade Army Band who took a turn under a hot sun during the 44th Naval Cadet Class. Cadets on parade after their commissioning ceremony at the Haulbowline Naval Base.Dr. Venture: Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?
Dr. Venture: Dean, you smell like a whore
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Read the item again. 3 ships to be replaced. One of the replacements will cost an estimated €100m. The Dept are Committed to replacing the three older vessels.
The €100m only refers to one of the vessels, not all. 100million buys you a lot of ship. Roisin/Niamh only cost €25m in 1999/2001.
Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.
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Originally posted by Goldie fish View PostRead the item again. 3 ships to be replaced. One of the replacements will cost an estimated €100m. The Dept are Committed to replacing the three older vessels.
The €100m only refers to one of the vessels, not all. 100million buys you a lot of ship. Roisin/Niamh only cost €25m in 1999/2001.
Would 7 P51 and 1 P61 be the ultimate goal? Desired? Preferable?Meh.
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Originally posted by yooklid View PostSweet - so we'll have 4 P51 class, 1 P61 class, 1 P31 class and 2 P41?
Would 7 P51 and 1 P61 be the ultimate goal? Desired? Preferable?
Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.
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Originally posted by andy View Postso what will €100 millon bucks buy you these days ?
Im glad we wont have to ask the dutch for their navy capability
Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.
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Originally posted by Goldie fish View PostI have no Idea what you are trying to say in that post. If I don't, then I'm fairly sure nobody else has a clue either. Would you care to explain your thinking better please in a logical manner?
Could this be a reference to Dutch Naval support at the start of the Liberia deployment. Didn't they have a medevac heli available to recover any casualties to their ship? This was before shore based facilities were established?
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