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  • Originally posted by DeV View Post
    I heard that either/or (maybe both) the Niamh & Roisin 76s were second-hand?

    If my memory is correct there was pressure to buy second-hand but the navy pushed back and ended up with new equipment. Could be wrong but that's how I remember it.

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    • Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
      the only reason we ended up with it as we bought two ships with it already attached. Only then did it make sense to request it as primary weapons fit on subsequent ships.
      Indeed Eithne got 57mm in the mid 1980's, after army ordance decided that it wa the best weapon in it class.

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      • It was a good call, Similar sized ships either mount a 57mm or a 76mm, they were nut to know what charlie would bring. Oddly, no other RN warships since have operated the 76mm


        Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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        • Originally posted by DeV View Post
          I heard that either/or (maybe both) the Niamh & Roisin 76s were second-hand?
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          • Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
            It was a good call, Similar sized ships either mount a 57mm or a 76mm, they were nut to know what charlie would bring. Oddly, no other RN warships since have operated the 76mm
            Its intresting that the USN bought 76mm for its oliver hazard perry class of Frigates and the Coast Guards Bear class Cutters in the 1980's, but for the new littoral combat ships and Coast guards national security cutter they've opted for 57mm.

            However, I think that 76mm backed up by 20mm cannon is more than adequate for the new OPV.

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            • Originally posted by Dogwatch View Post
              Affirmative
              I stand corrected.

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              • Speaking of 76mm guns, here is a Type 22 frigate, now mounting a 76mm in place of the 4.5 inch:



                It's the Chilean Navy's 'Almirante Williams', formerly the Royal Navy's HMS Sheffield.

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                • ndeed Eithne got 57mm in the mid 1980's, after army ordance decided that it wa the best weapon in it class.
                  Still is.

                  there is arecognised level of what the weapons fir should be for a FPV, Its one 40mm and a pair of 20mms

                  If the NS want anything above this it can't be sourced from Euro funds.

                  The P50s were designed witha 20mms in mind and have been retrofitted as have the remainder of the Fleet with Rh202 rheinmettalls which incidently were all bought second hand for a very good price.

                  Nothing at all wrong with the weapons fits we have for the roles we do and whats more fairplay to those who aquired them in the face of adversity.
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                  • New Argentine OPVs

                    The Argentine Navy has ordered four new OPVs, at a cost of $157.8 million (approx. €26 million each, as €1 ~ $1.50). It's the same Fassmer design as the new Chilean OPV.

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                    • P30 Lite.


                      Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                      • Are those ships unsuitable for the waters the naval service operates in ?
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                        • No. However they are the minimum size required.


                          Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                          • Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
                            No. However they are the minimum size required.
                            Hi GF, Just wondering why you think the Chilean and Argentine OPVs would not be suitable for the NS? They're slightly bigger than Roisin and Niamh, same engines, and they're designed to operate in the waters of the South Atlantic and South Pacific, which includes the seas as far south as the Antarctic.

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                            • Hi GF, Just wondering why you think the Chilean and Argentine OPVs would not be suitable for the NS? They're slightly bigger than Roisin and Niamh, same engines, and they're designed to operate in the waters of the South Atlantic and South Pacific, which includes the seas as far south as the Antarctic.
                              GF didnt say they were unsuitable, read his post in context with the post he was repling to

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                              • Thank you APC.
                                The design seems to be very similar to Eithne, with obvious modifications, in line with current best practice. Probably what could have been if a P32 had been built. If we were looking for a P32 today, I'm sure thats the type of ship we would be looking at, But we aren't.
                                Keep in mind that unlike us, Argentina and Chile also have Frigates, and have used aircraft carriers, so their OPVs would not have the large degree of roles tasked to them as ours would. Therefore, that is why we require the larger platform.
                                These vessels WILL NOT be operating in the antarctic though. They would operate as far south as our ships could operate north, but you'll never see them in the antarctic.


                                Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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