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    Hand Grenades.

    Hey folks. My first thread and post, big hello to every-one.

    Had a look using the search function but didn't find the answer to this, sorry if I missed it.
    I was wondering what hand grenades the DF use and how many are the DF troops issued with grenades on operations if at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by womble
    Hey folks. My first thread and post, big hello to every-one.

    Had a look using the search function but didn't find the answer to this, sorry if I missed it.
    I was wondering what hand grenades the DF use and how many are the DF troops issued with grenades on operations if at all?

    Cheers.
    Welcome to the Board Womble.

    First of all, the Handgrenades used by the DF are Smoke, Thunderflash, Stun (Believe it or not, we do have them) and High Explosive.

    Can't remember the specific names of the others off hand but the HE Grenade is called the NR423 (I assume that that is the most important to you). I have also seen it referred to as the M72. I assume that it is a difference between the name the manufacturers use and the army uses.

    As for its employment in the DF and any other specifics, that is RESTRICTED info. Not for discussion outside the army.

    What I can tell you (from internet resources) is that it is belgian and a pic can be found on this page (8th item down)
    https://naveodtechdiv.navsea.navy.mi...05-Grenade.pdf

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    Sorry, it only crossed my mind after I had posted that, that kind of info might be resticted. I was just wondering if they were commonly issued, it was a silly question to ask in retrospect.
    Thanks for the link, I would also appreciate any-more info that can be provided by Docman or others.
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    Hey Goldie. Suppose it is a bit odd alright.
    But I don't think a domesticated fish usually kept as a pet is very militaristic either. Unless I've missed something about their ferocious reputation.
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    [QUOTE=womble]Sorry, it only crossed my mind after I had posted that, that kind of info might be resticted. [QUOTE]

    Not really - apparently, the Irish drill manual is restricted.
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    We have Stuns?!?Ya learn something new everday!!!Has anybody actually seen one, or are they just for the ARW?!?
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    Combatlogo.

    Sorry if I am prying into operationally sensitive information. I was wondering if it was standard practice to equip DF members with grenades on deployment, especially for PSO's.

    MOD: that is operational information

    Obviously I'm sticking my nose in where it had no place to be and that such info is not for me to know. I didn't mean to enquire into the drill manual and when I posted this request last night I hadn't considered I would be doing so.

    Apologies.
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    No need to apologise. You couldn't have known what was restricted and what wasn't. Just we can only tell you so much.
    Ya wow, We have stuns? class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Docman
    First of all, the Handgrenades used by the DF are Smoke, Thunderflash, Stun (Believe it or not, we do have them) and High Explosive.

    Can't remember the specific names of the others off hand but the HE Grenade is called the NR423 (I assume that that is the most important to you). I have also seen it referred to as the M72. I assume that it is a difference between the name the manufacturers use and the army uses.
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    The stun stun grenades in use by the DF are not restricted to the ARW. I have used them. but I must say it has been a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by womble
    Sorry if I am prying into operationally sensitive information. I was wondering if it was standard practice to equip DF members with grenades on deployment, especially for PSO's.
    The DF may/may not bring HE and/or smoke grenades on overseas deployment. Don't know for sure.

    Would make sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harmon Rabb
    Insert fuse...in a screwing motion...twist pin...remove and throw....how restricted can that be!
    well it must be restricted or you have never handled one, you never insert fuse with a screwing motion, in general grenades are screwed onto the fuse (not the other way around), maybe you were trying to be smart but it sure does not look like it from here
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    It would indeed make sense.
    Also, can any-one tell me if the DF use's white phospherous grenade's?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpb
    well it must be restricted or you have never handled one, you never insert fuse with a screwing motion, RESTRICTED INFORMATION, maybe you were trying to be smart but it sure does not look like it from here dickhead.
    So its not just a matter of pulling the pin and a striker hitting a cap.
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    Last edited by DeV; 5th February 2006 at 18:04.
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    Quote Originally Posted by womble
    It would indeed make sense.
    Also, can any-one tell me if the DF use's white phospherous grenade's?
    Now you are scaring me. Given the shite that the crusties went on about when it was revealed that the US was using WP may make people question your motives for asking such a question.

    The DF do not (to my knowledge) have WP Hand Grenades.

    However the smoke grenades fired by DF vehicle smoke dischargers may be WP. Not sure. Crusties claimed they were but don't know enough about them to confirm or deny.

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    Sorry if I'm scaring you Docman but to be honest I'd have no objection to the DF using WP. Its a horrible weapon but so are they all and its very effective. I can remember reading how American tactics in Normandy were to get tanks to fire a couple of WP rounds into a hedge row and watch the poor Germans leave, horrible for the Germans but saved American lives.
    If the use of WP would provide the DF's with a capability they need and help them to do there duty safer I would agree with it. I trust them enough to use it properly.
    While I am unsure of the tactical value of WP Hand Grenades WP artillery can be brutally effective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by womble
    While I am unsure of the tactical value of WP Hand Grenades WP artillery can be brutally effective.
    WP hand grenades perform the job of both HE and smoke grenade and were widely used by the British army at one stage. Save you having to carry 2 types of Grenade.

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    The old argument of keeping weight down for the infantry, that makes tactical sense allright.
    I'm just after realising something. Wouldn't smoke grenade's fired from grenade launchers on a vehicle be more dangerous to the crew of the vehicle if they had WP in them than to anyone else? That argument from crusties doesn't make much sense to me.
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    When do crusties ever make sense have sense.
    I asked a PDF officer if the smoke genades we used were damgerous his answer was not unless you pull the pin while it on their webbing(funny as **** appently but gets really really hot) he said to me that we do not use WP at all in any way,mean or form.
    We were very drunk at the time though I have to say (darn sports science students can hold their drink when they want to).
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    Smoke is smoke. WP is WP. Smoke discharged from smoke grenade launchers(notice the name) on AFVs is used for screening movement. WP burns things. Including vehicles. If AFVs used WP, then you would have to get your NBC gear on first, then lock down the turrets, and hope they tyres(which would usually be damp) don't make contact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by womble
    I'm just after realising something. Wouldn't smoke grenade's fired from grenade launchers on a vehicle be more dangerous to the crew of the vehicle if they had WP in them than to anyone else?
    Smoke dischargers are normally used when the vehicle is being target by an enemy force. And the smoke is discharged quite a distance from the vehicle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldie fish
    Smoke is smoke. WP is WP. Smoke discharged from smoke grenade launchers(notice the name) on AFVs is used for screening movement. WP burns things. Including vehicles. If AFVs used WP, then you would have to get your NBC gear on first, then lock down the turrets, and hope they tyres(which would usually be damp) don't make contact.
    The standard smoke grenades fired by US AFVs do have WP. I've seen stowed gear catch fire on exercises when the grenades are launched and the wind blows the smoke back at them.

    The reason is that standard smoke grenades will not provide obscuration from thermal imagers, only grenades with a thermal content will do that. Hence the WP, which burns at a nice handy temperature and provides thermal obscuration.

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    Ah but thats only when you nasty warmongering americans use it. Over here our smoke grenades are made using biodegradable turf....

    I remember the Russians had an AFV that used its own engine smoke as screening smoke.


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    MOD: Unless the members who are posting on this thread, clear their acts up with regard to chat type posts and more importantly posting restricted information, I'll close this thread.

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    Cal Tanker, Docman, Goldie, thank you all for your replies, you have been most helpfull and informative.

    OK Goldie, I don't mean to annoy you or anything and I know I'll have to earn the board members trust but what have I done to earn your distrust?
    Maybe my name is appropriate and maybe its not. I could be a gobsh1te of an anarchist or I could be little furry thing wandering around Wimbledon Common picking up litter for a living. Maybe I grew up watching the Womble's as a kid and so picked womble as a my username because I still like them. Maybe I was stuck for a username and the last thing I saw on TV before I registed was the womble's and so I picked it as a random alias.

    What have I done to arouse your suspicion? So far I have asked about the employment of grenades in the DF and if we use WP. I am not some left wing , unrealistic fool who thinks that all military service persoanal are baby killers. I have family who have served and certainly would not think such of my uncle. Have I done anything wrong?

    I await your onslaught, hopefully I am ready for it.
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