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    PDF/RDF co-operation.

    qw
    Last edited by AATWT; 17th September 2006 at 22:57.

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    Anytime I've been on PSO or security for PDF courses, it never stops to amaze me that the we both f**k up out on the ground in the same way over the same things, be it contact drills or patrols and that some PDF units standards arent much different than ours. It's also educational in the way most of the PDF officers that have been our OO's while on security have given some lectures on equipment that we wouldn't even hope to see let alone get to use (LUCIE-SOPHIE).

    In the majority of interactment that i've witnessed and expierenced, the PDF senior NCO's and Officers look at RDF units much more favourably and are more willing to teach and bestow constructive advice than the Junior NCO's and trained men. Not in all cases but very much so in the majority. Maybe it's because a lot of Officers were once in the Reserves as a precursur to getting into the Cadets, and know that the enthusiasim and commitment is very much to the fore in RDF personnel.
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    Normally stuff like sophie is marked with tags "not for issue to FCA baggers" but most of the PDF lads are sound and we can all get along once everyone knows that when we are off duty nobody has a right to order another man/woman to do anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AATWT
    What do you enjoy about PDF/RDF co-operation, especially on exercise's?

    Almost getting hit by a parachute flare as it was coming down(I don't care what anybody says they were aiming at me)
    To close with and kill the enemy in all weather conditions, night and day and over any terrain

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOB87
    Normally stuff like sophie is marked with tags "not for issue to FCA baggers"
    Has it occured to you that most of that kit is actually being used operationally by the PDF? Is it not logical to issue such kit to the troops who might need need overseas instead of keeping it here for reservists to play with?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZULU
    In the majority of interactment that i've witnessed and expierenced, the PDF senior NCO's and Officers look at RDF units much more favourably and are more willing to teach and bestow constructive advice than the Junior NCO's and trained men. Not in all cases but very much so in the majority. .
    That's because most of the senior NCO's and Officers will have to be nice to RDF troops with the new integration.

    From talking to PDF privates, when they were in recruit training, RDF/FCA members were the lowest of the low and the NCO's were not afraid to make sure their opinion got across. The best must have been when one recruit started slagging off a RDF plt in the Brugha yet the recruit was only in the PDF 2 months and had no prior experience of the FCA/RDF.

    So, if the PDF wish to teach it's ranks about the importance of the PDF/RDF the best place to start is with recruits and make sure it's training NCO's aren't using their bagger powerpoint presentation.
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    As for accuracy, presumably the missile carries MRVs with terminal phase sensors and guidance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Equalizer
    That's because most of the senior NCO's and Officers will have to be nice to RDF troops with the new integration.
    Not always the case. Before the re- org and while on a PSO, if you pulled your weight and did what had to be done, any questions you asked PDF personnel, you were answered fairly and constructivley. If you bitched and moaned and had other people dragging your ass you got shut up pretty feckin quickly. No "we have to be nice to them because we were told to be".
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    Hi all
    Given the abysmally low personal standards of some PDF personnel I've met in my time, a decent bunch of RDF might be useful about the place. Certainly, they'll be enthusiastic, on time and willing to work hard and not be full-time cynics.Speaking as a gold-medal cynic myself, if a bagger replaces a heel-dragging, whinging timewaster, that's alright by me. The job would get done with the minimum of fuss.
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    My first real interaction with any PDF personnel was on the PSO last year, all of them seemed really eager to help us out and show us what we were doing wrong and show us the right way to do things. They were enthusiastic about helping us, came as a surprise from what i'd heard in the past.

    Doing security eswell they were really nice and seemed quite happy to have you around, seeing as you were giving them a break i suppose.
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    In all honesty no real prblems with PDF a few toss pots all right but thats the same with FCA as well.
    Example did security in barracks during mayday last year as the regs were getting caught too often most of them were happy out to see us arriving as they actually had a few days off.
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    Had mostly good experiences with pdf but got a few smart remarks from a recruit platoon when on camp last year. 2 of them were from my unit originally.
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    best thing about the PDF is the amount of pyro they bring 4 exercises:tri:
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    Yea especially when they hand half of it over 2 the RDF
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Equalizer
    That's because most of the senior NCO's and Officers will have to be nice to RDF troops with the new integration.
    I found that senior PDF NCO's were very co-operative long before the re-org was mentioned. I reckon it has more to do with their position within the organisation - a private or junior NCO may see little personal benefit in co-operating with reservists, but a senior NCO or officer has a wider view & may see the long-term benefits of doing so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FMolloy
    a private or junior NCO may see little personal benefit in co-operating with reservists, but a senior NCO or officer has a wider view & may see the long-term benefits of doing so.
    Point reiterated.:wink:
    As for accuracy, presumably the missile carries MRVs with terminal phase sensors and guidance.

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    equalizer,

    i did my recruit training in a plt with about 70% ex fca personnel. a high percentage of them were FCA NCOs. the only time i've seen the FCA seriously talked down on (forget about the normal slagging that everybody gets, be you FCA, cav, arty, etc. ) was during the recruit training.

    and the training NCos clearly explained that the only reason this was done was to encourage the plt to work as a team during the training. apparently they felt that during the initial stages the ex FCA NCOs were having a harder time getting used to taking orders again, rather than giving them! the mindset hat to be changed back to being a private soldier again. it was more of a case of everybody wanting to be the boss instead of getting stuck in together and listening to the real bosses, ie the PDF NCOs!

    since then i haven't seen anybody seriously slag off Reserve personnel when working together.
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    I understand the instructors needed to get everyone on the same level but using whatever FCA expeirence people had in their "talking down" sessions is hardly professional of them even if it was explained to you afterwards what their intentions were.

    Not fair on the other 30% who wouldn't know much about the FCA, at the time.
    As for accuracy, presumably the missile carries MRVs with terminal phase sensors and guidance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Equalizer
    Point reiterated.:wink:
    Nope. You said that they had to be nice to the baggers because of the re-org. I said that, in my experience, senior NCO's have been nice since before the re-org was even thought of. There's also a world of difference between 'having' to be nice and seeing the benefits of being so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FMolloy
    You said that they had to be nice to the baggers because of the re-org.
    I never said they had to be nice to baggers.

    I've 200 other posts if you wish to go through them with a tooth comb.
    As for accuracy, presumably the missile carries MRVs with terminal phase sensors and guidance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Equalizer
    I never said they had to be nice to baggers.
    You said: That's because most of the senior NCO's and Officers will have to be nice to RDF troops with the new integration.

    Forgive me if I paraphrased, but that was the thrust of your statement - that PDF had to be nice because it was policy & they were not so of their own volition. There's a world of difference between the two that had to be pointed out.

    So I never reiterated your point, I contradicted it.

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Equalizer
    I've 200 other posts if you wish to go through them with a tooth comb.
    I might do, if there as inaccurate as this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FMolloy
    I might do, if there as inaccurate as this one.
    If you do use the search function.

    Ok I was not clear in my statement. But you know where I'm coming from? If not I don't really care, hopefully a few hours nit picking through my posts should pass a few hours.
    As for accuracy, presumably the missile carries MRVs with terminal phase sensors and guidance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Equalizer
    If not I don't really care, hopefully a few hours nit picking through my posts should pass a few hours.
    Maybe on Tuesday when I've nothing better to do in work, your innacuracies aren't that important to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sierra one
    best thing about the PDF is the amount of pyro they bring 4 exercises:tri:

    Damn right... Last year on the PSO a PDF corporal came up to me the night before the exercise with a sack of smoke grenades. He said they was sick of carrying them so I gladly relieved him of them
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    I would love to do an exercise with the RDF.

    Really.

    No, really.

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