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  • #46
    Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
    From what I understand, Eithne's result in the top 50 Places has a lot to do with the individual officers at command level,who have since returned shoreside, replaced by less popular or "People friendly" officers.
    You might give the "less popular" officers a chance to affirm their leadership style, they haven't been out long...
    No Beast so fell that knows no pity,
    No Beast am I, For I know no pity...

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    • #47
      Dev I think the problem is that the formula makes provision for 1.3 crews but because there are so many people in training much of the .3 crew is in the naval school in fact its the same for most specialist training - people in training are held against operational jobs.

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      • #48
        "If you are aware of specifics bring them to the attention of serving personnel. It is not good enough to make sweeping statements of this nature and then sit back waiting for the accident in order to be able to say 'I told them so'."

        refers to a recent accident that to my knowledge is still under enquiry so to protect the source I cannot be specific.


        "Nonsense. If you knew the military as well as you profess (and I don't doubt it) then you would know there are solid reasons other than the cowardice you insinuate, for remaining incognito on such a site. And so do most of the other subscribers I can see. Unless mutter nutter is his real name. "

        Having given twenty years in service I have a very good insight to what the ramifications of such exposure would. I just tend to find it a little degrading that someone would get up on soap box to make their opinions heard but have to hide behind mask to make sure they did not jeopordise their own careers.

        'Wowee! Another wild swing at all officers"

        Not at all officers. Some of those I worked with in the past some I have seen working since deserve true admiration and respect for the job and the work they do.

        There is still a niche clique amongts the ranks who will put their own careers before the welfare of their charges.

        "Again, given the quality of your submissions on this board in general, I find it disturbing that you are reduced to shouting Dogwatch down and suggesting that he should even come to the forum! "

        Simple answer is don't come to a forum which is used by people of all ages and suggest to removing peoples livelyhoods because they don't fit in with your idea of what the perfect service person should be


        "If he didn't care he wouldn't be here. This is just more of the shouting that you tend to intersperse your points with."

        Care about what precisley..certainly not those who he sees as being unworthy to serve. Might befar better off trying to adress these problems with in the service rather than putting in such effort to defend a case on the internet.

        just to make it clear..I am welll aware of the case s being argued.I'm not living in fanatsy of that there are not serious issues to be adressed within manning and man power..and I do believe the service has improved greatly over the past few years. Attitudes are changing..but far too slowly for the welfare of those concerened.

        as I said earlier it has become apparent in industry and retail sector in particular that contractual obligations to tyhe employee and employer at the beginning of service can be the sloution to what has often become accept practis..bad practise after a number of years.

        It is far too late to try and root out the current generation of non sea going personel..due to contractual obligations..but maybe this should be adressed in the future.

        The issue of time spent at sea and interruption f normal family life has been always a concern of seafarers for generations..part of the job...you want it you take it..But some where along the line there has to be some compromise or the NS will suffer the same drain on personnel as it did in leaner years when people just upped and left leaving a huge vacuum of skills.

        Given the increases in commitments the service can't afford to lose its life blood..the people...and instaed of just geting rid of people it should be seen as an oppertunity to make sea going a more attractive career rather than as the hardship some see it as.
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        Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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        • #49
          "You might give the "less popular" officers a chance to affirm their leadership style, they haven't been out long"

          Funny thing is..the guy was out before so is a known quantity. The statemant is not an assumption..but a known fact.
          Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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          • #50
            1.3 crew they dont have 1 . no the ships are sailing under Strength & this is majority of time ask any seagoing ns person the ship rarely sails with full Strength so this puts added pressure on personel who have to take up the extra work. its not fair on personel ashore on there shore rotation to keep getting CAUGHT for reliefs during there time in & alot of the time its short notice reliefs as in you could quiet easily be told go home get your gear you joining P?? in kinsale if your lucky you get to hear about relief the thur or fri b4 the relief patrol. its all down to numbers & the numbers dont add up if put in reality but i can bet when the top brass respond THEY'LL MAKE THEM LOOK LIKE THEY DO. i have no bother doing my sea time it the job i signed on for but there is a big problem with the way its being run & only a matter of time b4 something goes wrong or someone get hurt

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            • #51
              [QUOTE=af22;133819]1.3 crew they dont have 1 . no the ships are sailing under Strength & this is majority of time ask any seagoing ns person the ship rarely sails with full Strength so this puts added pressure on personel who have to take up the extra work.

              is this not a safety violation in itself!..amazing what discussions like this drag out of the wood work
              Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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              • #52
                It depends what the safe manning levels of the ships are.


                Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                • #53
                  Have found this an extremely interesting thread.

                  Can someone explain to me what a Writer appointment entailed?
                  "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Truck Driver View Post
                    Can someone explain to me what a Writer appointment entailed?
                    It was an appointment that served a purpose in the early years of the service (40's & 50's) when a large proportion of personnel would not have had good writing skills. Therefore, to be capable of carrying out administrative work, was considered akin to a technical qualification. They carrying out all the paper work, admin, etc. My father who served (not in a Wr's appt) gave me this information (before I get told I'm incorrect).

                    There was only every one appointment at sea for writers (L/Wr on P31), and an Admin Officer also. The writers branch has be amalgamated into Seaman's Branch, that is any writer still serving (of which there are quite a few) hold down seaman's appointments. Because their appointment did not entail them to go to sea, their conditions of service do not require them still to go to sea.
                    Last edited by Dogwatch; 29 August 2006, 17:27.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Dogwatch View Post
                      It was an appointment that served a purpose in the early years of the service (40's & 50's) when a large proportion of personnel would not have had good writing skills. Therefore, to be capable of carrying out administrative work, was considered akin to a tecnical qualification. They carrying out all the paper work, admin, etc. My father who served gave me this information (before I get told I'm incorrect).

                      There was only every one appointment at sea for writers (L/Wr on P31), and an Admin Officer also. The writers branch has be amalgamated into Seaman's Branch, that is any writer still serving (of which there are quite a few) hold down seaman's appointments. Becasue their appointment did not entail them to go to sea, their conditions of service do not require them still to go to sea.
                      Ta for that. Looks like it took someone an awful long time to cop on to the fact that the NS had also come into the technological age...
                      Last edited by FMolloy; 29 August 2006, 18:23.
                      "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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                      • #56
                        I thought writers became part of Logistics?


                        Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                        • #57
                          Writer were offten given the name 'Scribes"....and yes Dogwatch you are correct. the writers appointent was always seen as a non seagoing appointement but as stated there is /was L/Scribe on the Eithne who acted as a kind of an officer administraor wand was often employed as aprt of boarding parties etc. Didn't do watches..but acrried out duties along side such as DPO.

                          Another group that were never sea deployed were MTDs or transport and were often made up of guys who had been grounded from seagoing...But they were always in such short supply even if they had't been grounded there deployment to sea was very unusual.
                          Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                          • #58
                            So a writer is basically a clerk?

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                            • #59
                              Is the PDFORRA report available online at all?


                              Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                              • #60
                                From pdforra.ie

                                Research confirms serious problems for
                                Naval Service families with Long-Term Sea Patrols.

                                PDFORRA, today published research, which identifies serious problems for Naval Service families in relation to long-term sea patrols. The research was conducted by a team of experts under the chairmanship of Mr. John Brennan, MA. A very large sample of 344, which included 212 service personnel and 137 spouses participated in the research.

                                The main findings of the research are as follows:

                                - There are low levels of morale among the group and this raises questions, both in relation to efficiency and safety.

                                - High levels of related stress were identified for both service personnel and their spouses.

                                - There is a sense of 'hopelessness' and 'disenchantment' with the overall policy on long-term sea patrols.

                                - There is NO confidence in management to resolve the current problems in regard to long-term sea patrols - as they 'won't listen'

                                - In response to questions on the current long-term sea patrols policy, - spouses use such terms as betrayed, lonely and depressed.

                                - Outside intervention is needed to resolve the current problems.

                                Gerry Rooney, General Secretary of PFORRA said today, "We have listened to anecdotal evidence of these problems for some time - and we raised our concerns with management at all levels - with little or no success. We then decided to conduct this professional and independent research which gives us a very clear picture of the difficulties being faced by sailors and their spouses in the long-term sea patrols environment"

                                Gerry Rooney went on to say, "The White Paper on Defence clarified the level of service required of the Naval Service and how it was to be implemented, but this is simply not happening. Sailors were supposed to spend two years at sea and two years at base and this is being ignored as some sailors are spending up to 100 extra days at sea doing relief, when they should be on shore. Coupled with this personnel are sometimes spending two full days on overnight duty at base when on their 'week ashore' from long-term sea patrols. This problem of excess commitment by Naval Service personnel is often complicated as spouses rightly pursue their careers, which can also involve night duty and/or compulsory overtime."

                                Gerry Rooney said to-day; "we have presented a copy of this research to management at all levels and to the Minister for Defence. We have also requested a meeting with the Minister so that the very serious matters emerging from this research can be addressed as a matter of urgency"

                                Full copy of report available on request.

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