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    Quote Originally Posted by Graylion View Post
    Can we do Piranha V wih Samson RWS with 40mm CTA and MMP?
    Id swap out the CTA for the Bushmaster 35/50mm

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    Quote Originally Posted by apc View Post
    Id swap out the CTA for the Bushmaster 35/50mm
    why? CTA too new?

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    ya, troubled developement apparently and to my knowledge only 2 platforms using the same gun currently using the ammunition

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    Quote Originally Posted by apc View Post
    ya, troubled developement apparently and to my knowledge only 2 platforms using the same gun currently using the ammunition
    counterargument: Development is gone for a while now and both British Army and French Army are not exactly small customers. And that thing is smaller than a Bushmaster 30mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graylion View Post
    counterargument: Development is gone for a while now and both British Army and French Army are not exactly small customers. And that thing is smaller than a Bushmaster 30mm.
    in developement for over 10 years but I think is still rather new. CTA international is a joint venture between BAE and Nextar so The Brits and the French have a vested interest in it hence they so far are the only users. I have a funny feeling that they maybe the only users for some time yet. When you think a;; new IFV programmes outside of UK and France have been with conventional ammunition

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    true. It'll likely take the next Mali or Desert Storm to prove the gun. 35/50 is a huge gun though. Won't fir into Samson or similar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graylion View Post
    Can we do Piranha V wih Samson RWS with 40mm CTA and MMP?
    The Samson RWS is a modular system so it can fit a wide range of customer defined equipment. As most new build vehicles and systems are fully digital which eases integration. Rather than the Samson RWS (bit of issue with Israeli gear) we could take its Australian cousin the EOS T2000, fitted with a 30mm ABM cannon and either MMP/EuroSpike etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EUFighter View Post
    The Samson RWS is a modular system so it can fit a wide range of customer defined equipment. As most new build vehicles and systems are fully digital which eases integration. Rather than the Samson RWS (bit of issue with Israeli gear) we could take its Australian cousin the EOS T2000, fitted with a 30mm ABM cannon and either MMP/EuroSpike etc.
    I didn't know the EOS. I fully agree on Israeli kit, hence MMP, not Spike One question: SAMSON lets the commander stick their head out. Can they do that in EOS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graylion View Post
    I didn't know the EOS. I fully agree on Israeli kit, hence MMP, not Spike One question: SAMSON lets the commander stick their head out. Can they do that in EOS?
    https://www.eos-aus.com/wp-content/u...ureAUS_WEB.pdf

    It is based on the UT30 but made in Australia, the Spike ER can be replaced by MMP and the turret can be manned or unmanned.
    (Sorry mixed the Samson and UT30)
    Last edited by EUFighter; 28th June 2020 at 20:38.

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    A list of the Turrets and weapons for the latest Spanish purchase of 348 Piranha V

    Main Version (IFV + combat reconaissance version)--> Turret UT-30 MK2 (Elbit+Navantia+Expal). Bushmaster MKII 30mm/40mm+Spike LR+machine guns

    Engineering version: RWS 12'7mm--> Minisamson (Rafael+tecnobit)

    Recon and artillery observer--> Guardian RWS 12'7mm --> Escribano

    COmmand section--> Maybe OtoMelara+indra+escribano 30mm hitfist (no missiles)

    Command company--> Army need 30mm+missiles...so the most important factor... the price will be the key (Elbit again in a simplified version or Rafael Samson 30mm?)

    Tankbuster Role (marines and future army)--> Otomelara (120mm)+spanish partners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EUFighter View Post
    https://www.eos-aus.com/wp-content/u...ureAUS_WEB.pdf

    It is based on the UT30 but made in Australia, the Spike ER can be replaced by MMP and the turret can be manned or unmanned.
    (Sorry mixed the Samson and UT30)
    Samson is unmanned, but built in such a way that, if the commander wants their head shot off, they can stick said appendage out.
    Last edited by Graylion; 29th June 2020 at 10:12.

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