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  • Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
    https://www.eos-aus.com/wp-content/u...ureAUS_WEB.pdf

    It is based on the UT30 but made in Australia, the Spike ER can be replaced by MMP and the turret can be manned or unmanned.
    (Sorry mixed the Samson and UT30)
    Samson is unmanned, but built in such a way that, if the commander wants their head shot off, they can stick said appendage out.
    Last edited by Graylion; 29 June 2020, 11:12.

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    • The Spanish army are currently in the final phase of initial testing of the turrets systems for their VCR Dragon (Piranha V) program. They are testing both manned and unmanned turrets. The contenders are the Samson MK2, the UT-30 and the Hitfist. It is intended that most of the IFV versions will get an unmanned turret but that the commander vehicles will have manned turrets.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNP--00vEk4

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      • Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
        The Spanish army are currently in the final phase of initial testing of the turrets systems for their VCR Dragon (Piranha V) program. They are testing both manned and unmanned turrets. The contenders are the Samson MK2, the UT-30 and the Hitfist. It is intended that most of the IFV versions will get an unmanned turret but that the commander vehicles will have manned turrets.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNP--00vEk4
        Hitfist sounds good, but I am missing provision for ATGM

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        • Originally posted by Graylion View Post
          Hitfist sounds good, but I am missing provision for ATGM
          The only option AFAIK is one launcher on each side, not optimal.
          The Israeli turrets seem to be a generation ahead especially with the other systems they have integrated such as IronVision, Iron Fist, Trophy etc. It was interesting that the LANCE turret is not in the running as i is already in service on their Piranha III's.

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          • We just need lots of these

            The remote surveillance platforms may be part of a much larger sensor network, much of which is unseen beneath the waves. China may be going from mere presence, to omnipresence.

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            • Originally posted by DeV View Post
              Any idea of the size?

              The USAF tried something similar in the 1960's for NORAD with their "Texas Towers", manned platforms, but based upon an oil platform design.
              Perhaps we can install a radar and sonar on the old Kinsale gas platform? And if that works do the same when the Corib field when it closes

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              • Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
                Any idea of the size?

                The USAF tried something similar in the 1960's for NORAD with their "Texas Towers", manned platforms, but based upon an oil platform design.
                Perhaps we can install a radar and sonar on the old Kinsale gas platform? And if that works do the same when the Corib field when it closes
                China has deployed a network of sensors and communications capabilities between Hainan Island and the Paracel Islands in the northern South China Sea. These capabilities are part of a “Blue Ocean Information Network” (蓝海信息网络) developed by China Electronics Technology Group Corporation (CETC), a state-owned company, to aid in the exploration and control of the maritime […]


                Appears to be similar in size to some of the very large bouys that ILS Granuille has handled in the past

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                • Kinsale platforms will be chopped and removed shortly. Plenty of isolated headlands with no fear of erosion available.
                  For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                  • Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
                    The only option AFAIK is one launcher on each side, not optimal.
                    The Israeli turrets seem to be a generation ahead especially with the other systems they have integrated such as IronVision, Iron Fist, Trophy etc. It was interesting that the LANCE turret is not in the running as i is already in service on their Piranha III's.
                    They really are. Every time I look at competitors, the Israely turrets just come up more thought through.

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                    • While we were discussing "should we join NATO if attacked by Elbonia" The Chieftain was doing a video about how to bugger Elbonia by buying the wrong AFVs!
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOi7ovukC38

                      The choice of which medium tank to buy after WW2 to completely bugger the Elbonia Army is an interesting choice and the reasons why! (19:56 to 34:56)

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                      • Spain has finally signed oders for its next APC/IVF the VCR (Piranha V),GDELS share is $870 for the vehicles:
                        https://defence-blog.com/news/army/s...-vehicles.html

                        Indra will supply the BMS for the vehicles:
                        Indra will equip the 348 8x8 Dragon Wheeled Combat Vehicles (WCVs) procured by Spain's Ministry of Defense with an advanced state-of-the art Mission System and electronic architecture that will give the vehicle the highest degree of safety and superiority, for more than 150 million euros in an initial stage.

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                        • Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
                          Spain has finally signed oders for its next APC/IVF the VCR (Piranha V),GDELS share is $870 for the vehicles:
                          https://defence-blog.com/news/army/s...-vehicles.html

                          Indra will supply the BMS for the vehicles:
                          https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...hitecture.html
                          That will give an idea of the cost (likely to be higher) when the MOWAGs require replacement

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                          • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                            That will give an idea of the cost (likely to be higher) when the MOWAGs require replacement
                            Does €2.5m each include turrets? If they are getting up to 1000, We won't get anywhere near as good a deal when we only get max 100.
                            For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                            • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                              Does €2.5m each include turrets? If they are getting up to 1000, We won't get anywhere near as good a deal when we only get max 100.
                              Think the Boxer comes in around €2m each so possibly

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                              • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                                Does €2.5m each include turrets? If they are getting up to 1000, We won't get anywhere near as good a deal when we only get max 100.
                                This is only the initial contract for 348 vehicles, GDELS gets €733m so each vehicle will be €2.1, Indra gets €150m so the BMS will be €0.43 per vehicle, the rest of the €1,740m will be for the turrets, weapon systems, spares and training. So about €5.0m per fully equipped vehicle.

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