Works of fiction/Waltering/Dreaming/"We need hovertanks!"

[turbocalves]

yea turbo leopards are german......

this is true but i was talkin bout the ariet which is ITALIAN (see post 14)

[Goldie fish]

This madness must end SOON

[turbocalves]

When I was at ATDU, they were telling me about 2.5mil sterling per CR2. The turret replacement programme is going to set them back an additional 2.5mil per tank, basically doubling their costs.

M1 when initially produced in the early 1980s had a driveaway cost of $1mil, plus tax, title and insurance. Current versions clock in at over $4million. FWIW, the M1A1s on my property book are valued at $2.38mil. (That's the price that gets deducte from your pay if you break one). That's almost exactly the per-unit price for a Stryker Infantry Carrier Vehicle today.

The most expensive per-unit tank in the world is, last I checked, Type-90. This isn't so much because of the cost of manufacture, as because of the fact that they deliberately kept a slow rate of production in order to keep the factory in business, instead of pumping them all out at once. Not that it's not filled with gadgets and gizmos either.

As for the TA lad with his very own Chally, that's questionable. The only TA unit that works with tanks is the Royal Wessex Yeomanry. They do not provide full tank crews, instead their function depends on the squadron. For example, the Royal Wiltshire Yeomanry (A Squadron) trains turret crew replacements. Gunners and loaders. The Royal Devon Yeomanry (D Squadron)'s job is to train soldiers who can drive any tracked/armoured vehicle in the British inventory, in order to deliver them to the line units. The regiment has sent troops on Telic to integrate into the Regular Army units that were there, and some of them did work on Challenger tanks. I am not aware of any who served as tank commanders, though it's possible, particularly if the TC was taking the day off. When they conduct maneuvers on tracks, they borrow from Regular Army units. They only have Land Rovers in their garages. My information is only a year old, I visited them on exchange for two weeks.

NTM

well my mate also quoted me £60mil for a challenger 2, so his inf maybe a little suspect..

[turbocalves]

i didnt put that last post in here in fact i put no posts(bar this one) in here

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[Goldie fish]

It wasn't me. Before you start whining...more.

[turbocalves]

It wasn't me. Before you start whining...more.

Did anyone suggest it was you? you were the one whinging if ya dont like some thing no body said you HAVE to read it did they? the mods can move my posts if they like and if i dissaprove i'll let it be known(in this case i'm bein classed a walter for tryin to clarify somthing) and if a mod tells me to stop i will

[Parts]

This thread's already embarassing, shurely should be binned before handbags are brought into play aswell?

[hptmurphy]

Thanks Parts...nice to see the people who deal in reality giving a reality check to such drivel!

[GoneToTheCanner]

Ah Hpt
Come on, ye have to have a bit of a "What if..." every now and again, although reading Redeye about C-295 for the 97th time IS a bit tedious ...as for Waltering, what do you think going for a Shoot in a bog on your time off constitutes?! We know the DF can't even keep it's people in boots....
regards
GttC

[yooklid]

Look guys, the reality is that there are people who frequent this site who have one view of what needs to be discussed, and people who have another view. One of those views is to discuss things like this. Personally, while I hypothetically believe that the DF could have a tank unit (we had one before), it is in the realms of fantasy right now. However, other people want to talk about to their hearts content. Let them.

To those of us who don't want to even think about it, find it embarassing, or whatever, don't read the thread if it or related (jets, wings etc.) really boil your blood why give yourself the heart burn? Do you want a "nanny admin" approach where everthing you don't like is banned?

Self censorship is the best way to deal with this.

[hptmurphy]

We had one.......but as usual it didn't work out...

[Barry]

I doubt that any of the people talking about having a tank squadron have any say in whether or not we will get one. Still, they have the right to discuss it. However, to keep the rest of the forum clean, all such material will be moved here.

Murf, if people discussing the possibility of MBTs so personally offends and angers you, then all you need to do is avoid this thread.

[hptmurphy]

Its not the concept of discussion that annoys me..its the inherint ignorance of whats involved in operating these types of vehicles even at a troop level which bothers me..given what I have seen recently from the so called' experten' in their field I seriously doubt the abilities of any who are not either doing the shit for a living ..or related to doing the shit for a living.

my interpretation on waltering has escalated about 4 fold after what I've seen over the last few days...and theses are only the basics....wait until the corps assesments come up.

BTW Barry you need not preach..given up to recnetly your orgasm was reached by sitting in a truck with a styer and feeding off people who had more sevice than you have had snotty noses.

[Pod]

Is this not predicated on the bais of the current DF outlook and structure? If a decision is ever made to aquire MBT's then it will be as part of a very different organisation.
jesus if people want to have a look at some real waltering visit the blue green thread!

[Goldie fish]

jesus if people want to have a look at some real waltering visit the blue green thread!

What parts exactly?

[Parts]

See: handbags. Told you it would end in tears for all concerned.

[Pod]

What parts exactly?

the part that talks about the current or any irish government short of some military junta spending in excess of 100 million on a single piece of kit.

[Goldie fish]

Its not just a piece of kit. Its an asset. Its a gap in actual capability that has been identified. Please give your further evaluation, based on your own expertise of the idea, in the appropriate section.

And let those who know more than you tear into you.

[Pod]

ouch

[California Tanker]

An outstanding example of superior tank walting can be found here:

http://www.youtube.com/comment_servl...ed%26search%3D

Warning. Reading that thread may be hazardous to your sanity.

NTM

[mutter nutter]

An outstanding example of superior tank walting can be found here:

http://www.youtube.com/comment_servl...ed%26search%3D

Warning. Reading that thread may be hazardous to your sanity.

NTM

dear god man...why??, I feel the will to live fading..........

[paul]

Even thought we are a neutral force,

Do you think we need main battle tanks?



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[Docman]

Even thought we are a neutral force,

Do you think we need main battle tanks?

Personally, I think yes.

But it doesn't fit into the force structure and we lack a lot of the necessary infrastructure in the DF. The only equivalent we have is Scorpions. Problem is that it isn't just a case of buying tanks.... you must have the recovery vehicles, mechanics, ammunition etc. etc. etc.

[Goldie fish]

No. But we need proper armour. MBTs are the final step, not the initial step.

[California Tanker]

Proper armour as defined by the gun, or by weight?
I guess a CV90120 might do: It has about the same psychological effect as a tank, and if you chuck enough ERA or slat armour on it, should survive anything it's likely to meet in a peackeeping environment.

NTM