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  • Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
    They have replaced the Archers with the 2 Scimitar class they originally had for coastal work in NI. There is already a plan to replace the Scimitars with a larger more capable pair of vessels.


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    • These vessels, despite their age, are tools for a specific police action and show the flag in Gib. Our NSR need craft to hone modern seamanship skills, and develop the situational awareness that is part of being safe at sea. The vessel suitable to their needs would be similar to the Archer, or an Offshore cabin craft, or something in the Pacific range of RHIB. Their main task is training to a level that would make their crews usable at sea on our ocean going vessels , and keep them safe up to sea state 6, and operate in sea state 4.

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      • Their is nothing stopping NSR lads from getting courses in the Naval BTC. Or is there, the topic of training is over on the NSR commissioning thread buts more like a bashing of NSR officers. As said in the other thread why dont they do a yacht masters course?. I must look it up but on both threads it seems to suggest that there must be a particular rank that drives a boat and a rank that commands it and a rank that controls it all. So what would they be, if someone could draw a comparison to a mowag it might help us understand.

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        • Originally posted by batterysgt View Post
          Their is nothing stopping NSR lads from getting courses in the Naval BTC. Or is there, the topic of training is over on the NSR commissioning thread buts more like a bashing of NSR officers. As said in the other thread why dont they do a yacht masters course?. I must look it up but on both threads it seems to suggest that there must be a particular rank that drives a boat and a rank that commands it and a rank that controls it all. So what would they be, if someone could draw a comparison to a mowag it might help us understand.
          If a mowag was a boat then the driver usually wouldn't be the Troop commander. He still has to know how to drive the mowag though, and operate its weapons, before he is allowed command the troop. The ship however is a full squadron (if CRV/MRV Mowags) or Company (if APC Mowag).
          Many NSR officers have gone about doing Yachtmaster courses, only for their motor launches to be taken from them. One time they had sailing boats too, ideal for gaining experience at sea, but of no military use, except for training boarding parties how to board yachts without upsetting the yacht club types.
          For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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          • I found in the archives a photo of two of the recently retired NSR motor launches. Possibly Aine Laoi and Freya. STY Tailte on the outside is also a Naval Asset and may have been used by the NSR at some stage, along with Creidne and Nancy Bet.
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            For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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            • Originally posted by DeV View Post
              Realistically the best case would be a RHIB with shelter anything else an the NSR would require specialists. It would mean that they could get weekly experience of boardings and RHIB ops (that they could be exposed to at sea on an OPV) on a weekly basis. They could also get more use and therefore deliver better VFM.

              The Customs cutters were about €1M each of memory serves there isn’t a hope the NSR will get 4 they would be lucky to get 1!

              I seem to remember in one of the parades through Dublin there was a NS RHIB with a GPMG Mount.


              Armed - tick
              Achievable for NSR - tick
              Useful for training and local ops - tick
              Useful for training and support of NS locally - tick
              Affordable - tick
              Useful for training for ops on board OPVs - tick

              All weather ?
              Range wise for patrolling a wider area ?
              Training of NSR officers for ops on board OPVs?
              Last edited by DeV; 3 July 2020, 17:29.

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              • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                https://forum.irishmilitaryonline.co...l=1#post130516

                Armed - tick
                Achievable for NSR - tick
                Useful for training and local ops - tick
                Useful for training and support of NS locally - tick
                Affordable - tick
                Useful for training for ops on board OPVs - tick

                All weather ?
                Range wise for patrolling a wider area ?
                Training of NSR officers for ops on board OPVs?
                What about something like this?
                Its what the US Navy use as a force protection boat.

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                • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                  https://forum.irishmilitaryonline.co...l=1#post130516

                  Armed - tick
                  Achievable for NSR - tick
                  Useful for training and local ops - tick
                  Useful for training and support of NS locally - tick
                  Affordable - tick
                  Useful for training for ops on board OPVs - tick

                  All weather ?
                  Range wise for patrolling a wider area ?
                  Training of NSR officers for ops on board OPVs?
                  Waste of money tick
                  amended that for you
                  Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                  • Originally posted by CTU View Post
                    What about something like this?
                    Its what the US Navy use as a force protection boat.

                    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...-thumbnail.jpg
                    All those action shots of high speed turns are lovely, but nothing better than a deep V hull, loitering at low speed to entice your dinner to make a second appearance.
                    For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                    • Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
                      amended that for you
                      Not think it offers more capabilities than the retired launches?

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                      • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                        Not think it offers more capabilities than the retired launches?
                        Nope......having served with ASM where in the old days where the concept of having their own STYs and launches was akin to being a uniformed yacht club in certain circles and indeed the Naval Service perception of the reserve was the same , the recent loss of their non standardized naval equipment afloat has actually led to a greater level of acceptance thats the NSR is no longer that which I have mentioned above and is a integral part of the Naval Service as opposed to being a tangental entity.

                        Should the NS formally declare its intention that it wants to the NSR to operate in a harbour police role, then the NSR is no longer compatible as an actual reserve. The Inland Fisheries and indeed the customs already operate vessels to undertake inshore operations , if there is an extra level of protection , the NS provide it with CPVs .

                        Unless the NS wants to go down the road the RN takes with declared and recognized training squadrons , which btw are not about reservists in the main, a spend on this type of craft without an actual operational role is to say the least wasteful .
                        Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                        • Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
                          Nope......having served with ASM where in the old days where the concept of having their own STYs and launches was akin to being a uniformed yacht club in certain circles and indeed the Naval Service perception of the reserve was the same , the recent loss of their non standardized naval equipment afloat has actually led to a greater level of acceptance thats the NSR is no longer that which I have mentioned above and is a integral part of the Naval Service as opposed to being a tangental entity.

                          Should the NS formally declare its intention that it wants to the NSR to operate in a harbour police role, then the NSR is no longer compatible as an actual reserve. The Inland Fisheries and indeed the customs already operate vessels to undertake inshore operations , if there is an extra level of protection , the NS provide it with CPVs .

                          Unless the NS wants to go down the road the RN takes with declared and recognized training squadrons , which btw are not about reservists in the main, a spend on this type of craft without an actual operational role is to say the least wasteful .
                          The NSR is descriptive of the current local volunteers. If they are to be fully marinised and made familiar with the sea environment then they must have craft that will allow them to acquire skills and confidence. Such a training vessel per unit should be capable of doing that with accent on Seamanship, Navigation, safety. etc. There is no need for boarding or belligerent intervention as that can be acquired aboard OPV's. The craft should be big enough to experience a couple of watches at sea and possibly overnight in local harbours.

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                          • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                            The NSR is descriptive of the current local volunteers. If they are to be fully marinised and made familiar with the sea environment then they must have craft that will allow them to acquire skills and confidence. Such a training vessel per unit should be capable of doing that with accent on Seamanship, Navigation, safety. etc. There is no need for boarding or belligerent intervention as that can be acquired aboard OPV's. The craft should be big enough to experience a couple of watches at sea and possibly overnight in local harbours.
                            As none of the training centres are beyond a couple of hours drive from Haulbowline, weekends in training can be focused there and use all the facilities available to the naval service and indeed joining a ship for the training activities outlined above which would be far more beneficial .
                            Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                            • Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
                              As none of the training centres are beyond a couple of hours drive from Haulbowline, weekends in training can be focused there and use all the facilities available to the naval service and indeed joining a ship for the training activities outlined above which would be far more beneficial .
                              Possible for Cork, Limerick, and Waterford but Dublin Unit is at a distance disadvantage. If the naval base was to be the training center then two craft for initial training and hands on experience would fit the requirement. I would prefer the HOME locations so that the NSR would gain a sense of self sufficiency and become less dependent.

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                              • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                                Possible for Cork, Limerick, and Waterford but Dublin Unit is at a distance disadvantage. If the naval base was to be the training center then two craft for initial training and hands on experience would fit the requirement. I would prefer the HOME locations so that the NSR would gain a sense of self sufficiency and become less dependent.
                                Where it should actually be the reverse for any reserve that it would operate under the wing of its parent force in as close proximity as possible having direct access to the assets and not having to have its own resources, especially in a island the size of Ireland and again with a such a diminutive force such as the NSR which again has probably less that 200 active members.
                                Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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