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  • Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
    So, there's no NSR engineering set up? If a former ERA or electrician wants to offer his services to the NSR, he won't be entertained?
    In days of yore the structure of the divisions reflected that of the NS but there were no tech appointments.

    Not to get to AB but then again there is a lot more to being part of an NSR unit than making AB.
    Actually there shouldn't be as without being an AB you are not a fully trained reservist and you can't progress.

    It's time to equip it adequately or get rid of it altogether.
    The role is defined as a Naval Reserve, not a private yacht club, plenty of sea time available on ships. The Civil Defence use boats in different roles to the NS and NSR and there is very little comparrison to be made
    Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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    • Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
      In days of yore the structure of the divisions reflected that of the NS but there were no tech appointments.



      Actually there shouldn't be as without being an AB you are not a fully trained reservist and you can't progress.



      The role is defined as a Naval Reserve, not a private yacht club, plenty of sea time available on ships. The Civil Defence use boats in different roles to the NS and NSR and there is very little comparrison to be made
      I can accept that the current role is that of NSR. That is why their training and continuum of volunteer service must be closely allied to water and watercraft. Home bases must contribute to making sea-going personnel the result of their training programs. Relying solely on the Naval Base to bring entry level recruits from The Reserve to seagoing capability is interferring with NSR structures, and their Regular Cadres that are tasked with training them.
      Their is a duty for Officers to see that Ratings reach AB rank on time as it effects their pay and selection for promotion. Courses at the Naval Base run by Cadres are appropriate such as firefighting, damage control, water safety, etc. Boatwork and boat handling must be done at Bases/home harbours.

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      • Cadres dont do the training anymore. Cadre appointments were reduced during the last reorg.

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        • Originally posted by batterysgt View Post
          Cadres dont do the training anymore. Cadre appointments were reduced during the last reorg.
          I was an i/c Cadre Officer and later a Group Officer. If the staff are depleted then a coherent training strategy is more than difficult. It devolves to the Flag to design a system that meets NSR integration into the seagoing system. It may be that the City based units need relocation.

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          • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
            I was an i/c Cadre Officer and later a Group Officer. If the staff are depleted then a coherent training strategy is more than difficult. It devolves to the Flag to design a system that meets NSR integration into the seagoing system. It may be that the City based units need relocation.
            Catch 22 then. If you take them out of their current location you weaken the recruiting pool under the current system.
            For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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            • The rough way the cadre are set up is none if your unit is in barracks and 3 for units outside barracks. CQ, Sgt and Pte driver. The last reorg took a large number out and they are few a far between. The single force concept has good and bad points this one for training and the way recruitment is done has been bad for RDF. made it harder to focus younger people and keep them in.

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              • While not exactly the RNR here is what is happening next door

                https://www.naval-technology.com/new...s-to-scotland/

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                • Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
                  While not exactly the RNR here is what is happening next door

                  https://www.naval-technology.com/new...s-to-scotland/
                  That's the sort of thing. Nice to get a break down of regular crew per boat and per the East and West Coast units to be deployed.

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                  • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                    That's the sort of thing. Nice to get a break down of regular crew per boat and per the East and West Coast units to be deployed.
                    They often make a summer trip in this direction too. Ideal for showing the flag at smaller harbours and marinas.
                    For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                    • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                      That's the sort of thing. Nice to get a break down of regular crew per boat and per the East and West Coast units to be deployed.
                      Attached to various universities
                      Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                      • Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
                        Attached to various universities
                        All operational ( 7) Archers are about to go on a 14 day trip to small Scottish ports with Reservists. They are deployed in two groups, one on the East coast and the other on the west Coast. It is to further their navigation and handling skills and working together. The ports are picked to give exposure to the RN in remote areas.
                        Each boat will have up to 5 Regular crew and at least 7 reservists Each. Sleeping arrangements are augmented by using areas described as Gunroom and magazine spaces. So it looks like they can take away about 40 reservists and 35 regulars for a 14 day show the Flag trip and gain loads of experience.

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                        • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                          All operational ( 7) Archers are about to go on a 14 day trip to small Scottish ports with Reservists. They are deployed in two groups, one on the East coast and the other on the west Coast. It is to further their navigation and handling skills and working together. The ports are picked to give exposure to the RN in remote areas.
                          Each boat will have up to 5 Regular crew and at least 7 reservists Each. Sleeping arrangements are augmented by using areas described as Gunroom and magazine spaces. So it looks like they can take away about 40 reservists and 35 regulars for a 14 day show the Flag trip and gain loads of experience.
                          There is no reason why the exercise could not be done all summer long from mid-June to mid-Sept (when colleges and universities are shut plus the weather normally OK). That would be a 12 week period in which different groups of reservists could get some decent sea time. For the regulars it could be thought as a 3 month deployment. There are plenty of ways it could be utilised. It might even be the first posting for newly commissioned officers.

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                          • Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
                            There is no reason why the exercise could not be done all summer long from mid-June to mid-Sept (when colleges and universities are shut plus the weather normally OK). That would be a 12 week period in which different groups of reservists could get some decent sea time. For the regulars it could be thought as a 3 month deployment. There are plenty of ways it could be utilised. It might even be the first posting for newly commissioned officers.
                            Given we now have 120 naval reservists of all ranks serving its hardly VFM
                            Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                            • Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
                              Given we now have 120 naval reservists of all ranks serving its hardly VFM
                              I was referring to the URNU that they could have done it all summer if they had wanted too.

                              However as you had raised the term VFM; perhaps you could define why the NSR is VFM ? and what would be the VFM criteria for a new NSR vessel(s)?
                              I am really interested in the answer as it is not an easy one and hence I would like to know.
                              (Value for money is based not only on the minimum purchase price (economy) but also on the maximum efficiency and effectiveness of the purchase.)

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                              • While the NS had a clear vision for what they would like the NSR to be, a reserve in support of the NS, unfortunately the NSR believes it is still 1995 and acts in a manner that serves only to frustrate all attempts of it making a meaningful contribution to the 21st Century NS. The NSR has become increasingly politicised in recent years, preferring to air their grievances on Social Media rather than through the Chain-of-Command. With the exception of one unit, the others are in the unfortunate situation of having too many Chiefs (both figuratively and literally) and not enough Indians.
                                Last edited by Egbeygia; 23 July 2020, 15:17.

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