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  • #16
    yeah okaybut these are not operational patrols ....merely jollies...trust you to nit pick.ALL overseas visits are inhabited by people who shouldn't be there.....as for the harbour jollies mere PR.....what were you doing on it?......did they require extra ballast!
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    • #17
      They needed someone to keep an eye on the schoolgirls...


      Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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      • #18
        Dug this out and cleaned it up, photo taken by Lt. Kennedy SM (Retd.)
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        No Beast am I, For I know no pity...

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        • #19
          New Boats for Naval service Reserve?

          Reading an Cosantoir recently, I was very interested in some of the comments of the Flag officer, firstly of Praise for the Naval Service Reserve, and secondly a possible replacement of the Motor training Launches.

          At able seaman and leading seaman level it is going very well. Their (The NSR)standards of basic seamanship and Turn-out have improved greatly and it is a credit to the hard work they have put it. On Inspections now I have difficulty picking out Naval Reserve personnel from the rest.

          In the past many of our personnel used to be quite condescending about the "Sluggies", as they were called, but now out Coxn's and executive officers are ringing Reserve units looking for personnel.
          In the longer term we have to find a similar role for the NCOs and Officers, who, unless they are full time mariners, are bound to lack the experience of their NS counterparts.
          One thing that I think would help would be the replacment of the MTLs with Larger and more up to date boats that could deliver a wider range of services. If they had more capable work boats it would allow the reserve to obtain a more defined role in the ports where they operate. It would also allow the reserve to provide support for the regular Naval service in a range of tasks. Typical examples would be providing a platform for the NS Diving Section or for NS sections providing maritime security.


          Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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          • #20
            I get the impression that the integration between reserve and permanent units has been more successful in the Navy as opposed to the Army
            There is no problem that cannot be fixed with high explosive.

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            • #21
              That seems to be the case.


              Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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              • #22
                What Shape And Size Would these vessels most likely be and if the are to allow the NSR to provide the likes of ''Maritime Security'' what type of armanents would they carry 12.7/25/30mm???
                British officer: You're seven minutes late, Mr. Collins.
                Michael Collins: You've kept us waiting 700 years. You can have your seven minutes.

                [As the British flag comes down]

                Michael Collins: So that's what all the bother was about.

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                • #23
                  They need to get something at least 20m if it is to be seaworthy enough.

                  For any maritime security role you would need at least a GPMG to be credible.
                  Last edited by Bitter Boy; 9 October 2005, 17:15.

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                  • #24
                    I'd imagine that they would be something of the lines of the Patrol craft used by the Royal Navy , University Royal Navy Units (URNU).

                    Last edited by Cosantor; 20 March 2006, 12:37.
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                    • #25
                      So in other words, the regulars/enlisted ranks can do their jobs, but the officers cant?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by sunnyjim
                        So in other words, the regulars/enlisted ranks can do their jobs, but the officers cant?
                        Unless they have the qualifications, in short no.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by sunnyjim
                          So in other words, the regulars/enlisted ranks can do their jobs, but the officers cant?
                          They can't because they are not allowed.

                          To do a seamans job, such as for example,steering the ship, you need 10 hours supervised steering before you qualify. To become a RIB Coxn, its something like 20 hours under instruction, before you are considered competent.
                          To qualify as a Watchkeeping officer, you must do understudy to the watchkeeping officer for between 6 and 9 months, as well as have a multitude of navigation qualifications. The Normal civilian qualifications which is considered the minimum acceptable qualification for watchkeeping officers,(Class 4) is a course of 3 years duration(including seatime). Combine with this the vast amount of legislation the Watchkeeping officer must be aware of if he is to replicate the Job of the Naval service non reserve officer. There are no Passengers on Naval vessels. You are there to fill an appointment. An Obvious solution to this shortfall would be to recruit Civilian Qualified watchkeepers to the Naval service reserve, But there are very few with the spare time, and the last thing they want to do on their scarce time off is go away for a 4 week patrol in the Atlantic in winter.


                          Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                          • #28
                            "What Shape And Size Would these vessels most likely be and if the are to allow the NSR to provide the likes of ''Maritime Security'' what type of armanents would they carry 12.7/25/30mm???"
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                            Ship- shaped and boat sized i think would be the way to go. And if a Naval Service Reservist can carry a 30mm weapon, Im not going to tell him he cant
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                            • #29
                              Heres another type of fast patrol vessel, might suit the NSR. For inshore use only, but would facilitate crews for sea training and be a useful military asset if required.

                              http://commercial.appolloduck.co.uk/...phtml?id=21364.

                              If that link does'nt work, it can be seen at www.appolloduck.co.uk by clicking on the military vessels section.
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                              • #30
                                That did'nt work !!! Try typing "ships for sale uk" and it should bring you into that site. Sorry !!!
                                'History is a vast early warning system'. Norman Cousins

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