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Around 1,300 soldiers receiving supplementary welfare payments - PDFORRA
Most privates (who have children and who have no other family income) would qualify for FIS based on the 2008 pay rates (never mind 2010).
Is the issue not that the other parent isn't working?
On the sleeping in cars etc:
I've met people who commute Dublin to Athlone, it may overtime work itself out (either by people moving house or leaving). But unfortunately the PDF are in a position where they signed up to be moved complusaryily. Some kind of expenses should be given and time allowed to make arrangements to move. The issue with this that say someone who used to be in Clonmel, is stationed in Kilkenny but lives in Cork, say they move to Kilkenny. What if Kilkenny is closed and they are posted to the Curragh/Cork.
You're not looking at the realities of the DF doing away with married quarters and relying on us buying our own homes, all in the name of saving money. Well now after closing several Barracks the situation arises where people have set down roots where they were stationed and moving the family away from jobs and schools etc is not feasible, especially in the face of negative equity that applies to anyone has purchased a home in the last 8-10 years.
So to yourself and those who say, why don't you move, I say why don't you think before you belittle the financial suffering and stressed family situation of many serving soldiers. I'm lucky, i only have 100 Km commute daily up from 2 Km, but it does mean that if i compare my wages, after travel costs, to what i'd get in my pension I'm working for less than âŹ50 a week. As soon as my OH finishes college in Athlone which she started when I was moved, I'm out the gate!
You're not looking at the realities of the DF doing away with married quarters and relying on us buying our own homes, all in the name of saving money. Well now after closing several Barracks the situation arises where people have set down roots where they were stationed and moving the family away from jobs and schools etc is not feasible, especially in the face of negative equity that applies to anyone has purchased a home in the last 8-10 years.
So to yourself and those who say, why don't you move, I say why don't you think before you belittle the financial suffering and stressed family situation of many serving soldiers. I'm lucky, i only have 100 Km commute daily up from 2 Km, but it does mean that if i compare my wages, after travel costs, to what i'd get in my pension I'm working for less than âŹ50 a week. As soon as my OH finishes college in Athlone which she started when I was moved, I'm out the gate
And the realities of the rest of the country being, we have to follow the work, accept the cuts and not live in the world of pretentious entitlement because we work in the private / public sector.
to be crass , couldn't take a joke shouldn't have joined up!
From a private sector view, what do you do that contributes to the improvement of the economy and the well being of the state in general.
There are certain thankless tasks that us state employees provide as a necessity and we all come under public scrutiny in justifying our existence, unfortunately often the DF come in at the bottom of the pecking order.
To highlight , as declared by PDFORRA. 5 cases, from 8,500 persons serving, clutching at straws to mind.
In fact the tactics of the organisation are so removed from the opinion of the members on issues such as this people are opting out in embarrassment.
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You're not looking at the realities of the DF doing away with married quarters and relying on us buying our own homes, all in the name of saving money. Well now after closing several Barracks the situation arises where people have set down roots where they were stationed and moving the family away from jobs and schools etc is not feasible, especially in the face of negative equity that applies to anyone has purchased a home in the last 8-10 years.
So to yourself and those who say, why don't you move, I say why don't you think before you belittle the financial suffering and stressed family situation of many serving soldiers. I'm lucky, i only have 100 Km commute daily up from 2 Km, but it does mean that if i compare my wages, after travel costs, to what i'd get in my pension I'm working for less than âŹ50 a week. As soon as my OH finishes college in Athlone which she started when I was moved, I'm out the gate!
And the realities of the rest of the country being, we have to follow the work, accept the cuts and not live in the world of pretentious entitlement because we work in the private / public sector.
to be crass , couldn't take a joke shouldn't have joined up!
From a private sector view, what do you do that contributes to the improvement of the economy and the well being of the state in general.
there area certain thankless tasks atht us stse employees provide as a necessity and we all come under public scuutiny in justifying our existence, unfortunately often the DF come in at the bottom of the pecking order.
To highlight , as declared by PDFORRA. 5 cases, from 8,500 persons serving, clutching at straws to mind.
In fact the tactics of the organistation are so removed from the opinion of the members on issues such as this people are opting out in embarrassment.
In fairness to the DF, they are the only public/civil servants that were cut in the good times. All the barracks closures, should have been done in the good times as well.
Also, there are very few others that can be complusaryily moved.
The low pay etc could actually be a knock job effect of privates being allowed to serve up to 21 (but the pay isn't high enough!!!)
So to yourself and those who say, why don't you move, I say why don't you think before you belittle the financial suffering and stressed family situation of many serving soldiers. I'm lucky, i only have 100 Km commute daily up from 2 Km, but it does mean that if i compare my wages, after travel costs, to what i'd get in my pension I'm working for less than âŹ50 a week. As soon as my OH finishes college in Athlone which she started when I was moved, I'm out the gate!
I think the point that Dev is trying (poorly) to make is that this type of suffering isn't restricted only to members of the Defence Forces. A lot of people face relocation in their job. I know a couple of people whose civilian employment involves long periods (often with no firm end date given, and lasting up to 2 years) abroad at extremely short notice, with no heed paid to family circumstances or whether or not they want to go. Similarly, many people have had to emigrate just to find a job of any kind - these people would bite your hand off if you offered them a guaranteed job in Ireland with a 100km a day commute.
I'm not saying that any of this is right, or that the circumstances faced by serving soldiers shouldn't be brought to public attention - but it's not just the DF that is treated like this, and acting like it is only undermines your point.
Also, there are very few others that can be complusaryily moved.
Anyone in the HSE can be redeployed up to 50km from their current place of work, not their home address, so if you already commute this can be added to it with no reimbursement.
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I think the point that Dev is trying (poorly) to make is that this type of suffering isn't restricted only to members of the Defence Forces. A lot of people face relocation in their job. I know a couple of people whose civilian employment involves long periods (often with no firm end date given, and lasting up to 2 years) abroad at extremely short notice, with no heed paid to family circumstances or whether or not they want to go. Similarly, many people have had to emigrate just to find a job of any kind - these people would bite your hand off if you offered them a guaranteed job in Ireland with a 100km a day commute.
I'm not saying that any of this is right, or that the circumstances faced by serving soldiers shouldn't be brought to public attention - but it's not just the DF that is treated like this, and acting like it is only undermines your point.
Exactly but I would raise the point that there are only limited areas in the public service where their job can be moved compulsory. I could be 100% wrong on that.
And after I throat punch whoever says that to me ill tell him, im not lucky, i signed the line and took the same oath and im f**king entitled and require it.
but i still wouldnt get it!
Entitled to it........entitled to FĂșckall, the DF will give you what they think you need and then only after they have looked after everyone else they think might need it ahead of you.
The only entitlement you have is a space in the ranks!
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We got an email this week reminding us that winter dress regs were now in force.
id like to remind whoever took the effort to do this, that my shirt was not actually issued to me, i acquired it when my other two ripped during the past ten years and that each time ive put a clothing form in for fair wear and tear, its only made it as far as the fat useless roly poly waste of life, c**t of an RDF BQ back in HQ and he has most likely wiped his giant fat Kim Kardashian, should be in an old peoples home, arse with it before dunking another rich tea in his DF mug.
I also noticed him wearing Haix on the range this year, before he fired one shot on the new table and promptly rolled off the firing point. he then used his steyr (actually probably some other poor c**nts steyr) as a crutch to get up, before ****ing his helmet (that he couldnt get the chin straps to close because he has four chins) at the truck.
I wouldnt mind but it took twenty minutes and 3 sgts to dress the enormous ****atard and get his fat head through the neck of his armour to begin with.
We got an email this week reminding us that winter dress regs were now in force.
id like to remind whoever took the effort to do this, that my shirt was not actually issued to me, i acquired it when my other two ripped during the past ten years and that each time ive put a clothing form in for fair wear and tear, its only made it as far as the fat useless roly poly waste of life, c**t of an RDF BQ back in HQ and he has most likely wiped his giant fat Kim Kardashian, should be in an old peoples home, arse with it before dunking another rich tea in his DF mug.
I also noticed him wearing Haix on the range this year, before he fired one shot on the new table and promptly rolled off the firing point. he then used his steyr (actually probably some other poor c**nts steyr) as a crutch to get up, before ****ing his helmet (that he couldnt get the chin straps to close because he has four chins) at the truck.
I wouldnt mind but it took twenty minutes and 3 sgts to dress the enormous ****atard and get his fat head through the neck of his armour to begin with.
well then, maybe id consider this persons long prestigious career and personal sacrifice in the RDF/FCA and would be far far more forgiving and they would have earned my respect instead of my online abuse and ire
But he is a friend of mine and he trained me many a year and we've hiked over many bastard hard hills together.
So : why do you think he has input into kit that the - for argument's sake - the Single Force Bn's BQ is responsible for seeing his Bn's soldiers are sent out and equipped with ? If I did that here I'd be told by a wide variety of folks to get fked.
Anyway this is all OFFTOPIC so please keep RDF stuff to our own whinging thread. There are undoubtedly families in very hard shrift if they are on FIS and they have my sympathy.
Kipling's was a fine poet.. from Tommy
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool -- you bet that Tommy sees!
There are undoubtedly families in very hard shrift if they are on FIS and they have my sympathy.
I totally agree.
But the DF are not the only ones effected.
More than one of my friends are in a position where they have had to see work where commuting is not an option.
With children in secondary school, partner working and everyone having roots upping sticks is not an option.
6 of the crew on my shift commute 100km or more each day
One of my friends lives in Cork Monday to Friday while his wife is in Maynooth. There is no income support, assistance with mortgage or rent subsidy. And sleeping in the car between shifts is not an option either.
No one should belittle the strife of others but please remember that although the DF is a unique job the difficulties of pay, conditions and work life balance effect everyone.
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