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    Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
    Ships are usually costed from a basket of currencies, to include costs of major ranges of Equipment/ Outfit. It depends on where the bits and pieces are bought from. Typical basket might include Sterling, Euro, Yen, Usd, Sw Kronor, Renminbi/Yuan, Danish Kr. etc.
    Clauses will include exchange rates and what happens if the shipyard goes bust.
    We are about to enter a new phase in ship building and we need to think about how we should fit in as a member of the EU with a view to being a meaningful member of a Pan-European Defence Agency or whatever. Our ships need more Defence systems and a seamless capability of Data interchange with other European navies. We are spending E320m on our 4 largest vessels giving us availability worldwide but we are short on what we can bring to the Table and take from that Table when we are there. we must present a realistic case for planned increase in our firepower.

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    • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
      We are about to enter a new phase in ship building and we need to think about how we should fit in as a member of the EU with a view to being a meaningful member of a Pan-European Defence Agency or whatever. Our ships need more Defence systems and a seamless capability of Data interchange with other European navies. We are spending E320m on our 4 largest vessels giving us availability worldwide but we are short on what we can bring to the Table and take from that Table when we are there. we must present a realistic case for planned increase in our firepower.
      I agree with upgrading our Naval Service Ancient,,,,,,
      I have no interest whatsoever in "Pan-European Defence" or "The Resource Wars of the 21st. Century" as proposed by former "EU Presidente Jaques Delors"

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      • Originally posted by Galloglass View Post
        I agree with upgrading our Naval Service Ancient,,,,,,
        I have no interest whatsoever in "Pan-European Defence" or "The Resource Wars of the 21st. Century" as proposed by former "EU Presidente Jaques Delors"

        Only problem is that Delors never said that, it was a lie made up by extreme republicans at the time Of the 1992 referendum. republican opponents to the EU invested post truth long before trump.

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        • Originally posted by paul g View Post
          Only problem is that Delors never said that, it was a lie made up by extreme republicans at the time Of the 1992 referendum. republican opponents to the EU invested post truth long before trump.
          Now become europhiles since brexit

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          • EXPANSION/ENHANCEMENT of Naval Service.

            Originally posted by expat01 View Post
            Now become europhiles since brexit
            It's really a matter of geography and the current hot brinkmanship of the Bear and the Eagle. Setting an unwise RED Line could precipitate the Mediterranean/Middle East/ Western Europe into a conflict zone. Our ships could be classified as targets and must at least have a fighting chance. All sea lanes to Europe pass through Irish controlled waters. The old belief that the Brits will do it is a considerably diluted factor and must not be hoped for or planned for at this time.

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            • Even without a European defence involvement, we are now sending vessels out of territorial waters into potential threat land.w need more then fishery patrol capability on those vessels for the safety of our sailors
              If there ever is a threat to the integrity of our territorial waters, then we will need allies. Of course, this being Ireland, we won't look for those allies until we have to go cap in hand at five minutes after the last minute.
              We'd better have something to bring to the table then, too.

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              • Originally posted by expat01 View Post
                Even without a European defence involvement, we are now sending vessels out of territorial waters into potential threat land.w need more then fishery patrol capability on those vessels for the safety of our sailors
                If there ever is a threat to the integrity of our territorial waters, then we will need allies. Of course, this being Ireland, we won't look for those allies until we have to go cap in hand at five minutes after the last minute.
                We'd better have something to bring to the table then, too.
                To be fair, your average fishery protection vessel is not equipped with an OTO melara 76mm, two 20mm automatic cannon and 6 other assorted heavy and general purpose machine guns. Our secondaries are usually the primary armament on a fisheries protection vessel, if it is indeed even armed at all.
                Our vessels are more similar to armed Coast Guard vessels. They are appropriately armed for the risk. Getting that far though was quite a battle, some in Haulbowline would be happier if the ships were fitted with smaller, less maintenance hungry weapons. Thankfully common sense prevails.
                For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                • I'm not even a talented amateur when it comes to things naval, but the armament strikes me as overkill for fisheries and inconsequential in terms of naval warfare or defence.

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                  • I'm not even a talented amateur when it comes to things naval, but the armament strikes me as overkill for fisheries and inconsequential in terms of naval warfare or defence.
                    No missiles, no anti-missile, no anti-air and no anti-sub.

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                    • It's a gunboat for the like of intercepting traitors who import weapons, drugs etc, also does Fisheries protection

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                      • EPV

                        Originally posted by sofa View Post
                        It's a gunboat for the like of intercepting traitors who import weapons, drugs etc, also does Fisheries protection
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                        We have riches in that we have six ships capable of worldwide deployment. However we are not in any operational Alliance in an ongoing basis. We are not outfitted to deal with aggression in a Naval sense. These or future ships need additional weapons such as 30mm guns and/or a CIWS, Naval Strike missiles, Ship launched guided torpedoes, and all the relevant tracking and control systems. we must enhance our PV's.

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                        • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
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                          We have riches in that we have six ships capable of worldwide deployment. However we are not in any operational Alliance in an ongoing basis. We are not outfitted to deal with aggression in a Naval sense. These or future ships need additional weapons such as 30mm guns and/or a CIWS, Naval Strike missiles, Ship launched guided torpedoes, and all the relevant tracking and control systems. we must enhance our PV's.
                          I would be highly doubtful that any of our hulls could take such upgrades of hardware/support systems and the additional manpower. Trying to make OPV's into Corvette's/Light Frigates isn't going to work, if there's political will for combat deployments buy a Warship, rather than trying to upgrade the OPV's.

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                          • Frigates should do frigate jobs. OPVs should do OPV jobs. Frigates could, and have done OPV jobs, badly, but OPVs should not do Frigate jobs.
                            For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                            • Absolutely, but if you are going to send an OPV into an area where there has been attacks on shipping you must ensure it has the wherewithal to detect and counter threats. Leaving aside frigate type offensive weaponry, there is huge scope to increase the defensive capabilities of the current fleet.

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                              • Would it be possible to put a team with RBS70 and Javelin on board in the Med' at least.

                                Remember the Australian navy strapping on RBS70s to there ships during the 1st Gulf war
                                Last edited by sofa; 22 December 2016, 18:03.

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