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  • Naval DPM

    For all you military anoraks:

    Apparently Naval DPM will replace working dress come January!

    The exact same kit and design as the current DPM but in Black, Dark Grey and Light Grey.

    As well as a decent working boot!

    Looking forwards to it personally what do you all think?

  • #2
    What is the point of it? To blend in better with the sea if you fall overboard?
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    • #3
      The point? Well there are a few as far as I can gather:

      1. The current working dress is muck.
      a. It looks kat on anybody over 40 or even slightly out if shape.
      b. It is closer to tissue paper than cloth.
      c. Wearing the current boots for the naval working day of about 16-18 hours is leaving us with trench foot!
      d. Its expensive!

      2. The cost of the new Naval DPM would save loads of money.

      3. The samples look great so why not!

      4. For plain Naval security details it'll be better than having to wear DPM, although of course DPM will remain for whenever we spend time on the ground or ranges details etc.

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      • #4
        Then why don't they just use DPMs or get dpms made in plain navy fabric instead of a pointless corporate camo that is only for brand identity. Still needing to have dpms for ranges and shore duties just reinforces the money waste of having "naval DPM".
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Toolbox View Post
          For all you military anoraks:

          Apparently Naval DPM will replace working dress come January!

          The exact same kit and design as the current DPM but in Black, Dark Grey and Light Grey.
          Sounds like "Urban Camo",
          What next Air Corps DPM, using Blue and Yellow.
          It was the year of fire...the year of destruction...the year we took back what was ours.
          It was the year of rebirth...the year of great sadness...the year of pain...and the year of joy.
          It was a new age...It was the end of history.
          It was the year everything changed.

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          • #6
            NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

            Awful, terrible, sinful idea.

            If you need new working dress/boots fine. But why does it have to be in DPM. Thats just the fevered dream of some Commodore in Naval Logs(?) who regrets not ticking the Army box on the Cadetship application.

            Look at all the problems the yanks have with their navy's DPM. To the best of my memory I've read of at least three separate cases where guys have gone overboard and were unable to be seen because of the DPM.

            If you need camo for a Boarding party/shore party surely a DPM pattern isn't the way to go. Flat Black/Blue/Gray is the much more obvious choice. The navy isn't exactly going to be storming beachheads.

            And Toolbox correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the reason the fabric in the Navy uniforms of 'tissue paper' quality is so grease, oil, fuel, semen, you know the stuff navy personnel encounter on a daily basis, can wash out of their uniforms more easily?
            To close with and kill the enemy in all weather conditions, night and day and over any terrain

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            • #7
              Yup it'll be some form of urban camo.

              Eh Havoc, if you go over the side wearing the current WD without a life jacket at this time of year your survival is doubtful.

              Unless your actually seen going over the side.

              Naval Boarding drysuit (black and yellow for fisheries and full black for tactical) are worn for all from the water evolutions.

              Daytime ops such as broad haven bay where piers and landing points had to be tactically secured to permit the landing of justice pers where also carried out in Naval Boarding Rig.

              Eh no the WD is tissue paper because it is crap.

              While kit would get far dirty in the navy while at sea, a decent modern fabric would stand up to the wash, it can't stand up to the wear and tear of sea life.

              And the Commodore is the flag officer commanding the naval service, the officer in charge of the stores would be a LtCdr rank I'd say.

              However FOCNS says and FOCNS gets! As is only right and proper!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Toolbox View Post
                Yup it'll be some form of urban camo.

                Eh Havoc, if you go over the side wearing the current WD without a life jacket at this time of year your survival is doubtful.

                Unless your actually seen going over the side.
                Your survival is doubtful whatever you're wearing, a NS officers trophy project uniform won't help. DPMs are in since 98 ish I think(?) surely over the years it occurred to the NS to get them made in Navy and craic on?
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                • #9
                  This is a bit whackey.... anyway, would it not make sense to have a dye bag in everyone's uniform who is out on the deck, [manually triggered obviously]...
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                  • #10
                    Didn't the NS only get a new uniform in 2012?The general duties rig with a new boot also?Looked very smart.Why the need for another new kit two years on??
                    Army personnel can't get any issue boots at the moment if they are size 8,10 or 11 and recruits are wearing XL DPM shirts tailored into Mediums due to shortages.But yet the NS can afford to spend money on a uniform they don't need??
                    Yup.Good idea that
                    "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                    • #11
                      Hi apod,

                      They sure did and it's chronic.

                      It just doesn't stand up to normal wear and tear.

                      This would be the third if not fourth incarnation of working dress in the last few years but it does look like it's going bye bye fairly soon.

                      Apparently the new kit will be highly cost effective than sourcing yet another supplier of working dress.

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                      • #12
                        Reminds me of the days of the blue combats.
                        For normal duties the NS pers require something practical for work aboard ship, and at the base. As far as I know the only thing the NS got in 2012 was a naval pattern barrack jacket. The rest has remained unchanged since the green/navy combats were replaced with the navy version of the DPM....The aussies changed their grey overalls in the mid 2000s for something similar.
                        This seems unsuitable for the majority of tasks aboard ship.
                        However I would have binned the idea of dpm dpms for range etc. It seems to me that the current kit lacks corporate identity, which was clear some weeks ago during the drug seizure photo op, when it was impossible to tell who was navy, who was garda and who was customs, except for the tab on their chest.

                        For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Toolbox View Post

                          Apparently the new kit will be highly cost effective than sourcing yet another supplier of working dress.
                          How could printing and designing a bespoke camo pattern possibly be highly cost effective? How could NS working dress requirements be so unique that a rebadged foreign working dress wouldn't work?
                          Everyone who's ever loved you was wrong.

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                          • #14
                            Why do the Navy need DPM on the range?
                            'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
                            'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
                            Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
                            He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
                            http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Flamingo View Post
                              Why do the Navy need DPM on the range?
                              i suppose it would depend on how seriously they take the 'every soldier/sailor/airman an Infanteer' crap...

                              if they actually do take blokes out of the dirty parts of ships, give them a rifle and belt kit and make them play soldiers in the Gorse for a couple of weeks a year then yes, they need a Land DPM uniform, if however they do an annual 30 minute rifle/pistol shoot on a 25m barrack range to stay qualified then no, they don't need a Land DPM uniform.

                              the corporate identity thing is, sadly, rubbish - journalists/politicians don't care about uniforms, they don't even read badges with the word 'NAVY' writen in 6inch letters across peoples chests, so expecting them to notice a different set of colours is just barking at the moon.

                              during David Camerons recent trip to Afghanistan he was pictured getting out of a RAF C-17. the C-17 had 'ROYAL AIR FORCE' written in two foot high letters over his head, and another, smaller 'ROYAL AIR FORCE' stencil right next to the door. more than one newspaper reported him getting out of an 'Army transport plane'...

                              providing clues for such utter mongs does not work - all that works is ever present press officers constantly talking to Journalists/politicians and even writing their copy/statements for them.

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