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  • The level of toxins on in the factory site is negligible. Most of what was dangerous there was dust. That went with the buildings. The real problem is the numerous steel protrusions that exist throughout the site. Some are about waist height, most are just trip hazards. These are surrounded by many pools which over time have become accidental drains for everything that flowed downwards. Clearance of these was beyond the brief of those charged with demolition. Ground clearing is the job of whoever decides to build on it.
    Cork coco has on its website the plans for the East tip. Already a segregated road access has been built and the eastern fence around the basin has been greatly improved. Indeed it is now more compliant with ISPS guidelines than it ever was.
    For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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    • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
      We are in an expansionary mode and provision must be made to maintain a range of choices now, or in the future.
      While I admire your sentiment, the reality is the Defence Forces have been in a forced contraction in size for the past two decades, including all three services, where as the DoD has actually expanded!

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      • Originally posted by na grohmit� View Post
        The level of toxins on in the factory site is negligible. Most of what was dangerous there was dust. That went with the buildings. The real problem is the numerous steel protrusions that exist throughout the site. Some are about waist height, most are just trip hazards. These are surrounded by many pools which over time have become accidental drains for everything that flowed downwards. Clearance of these was beyond the brief of those charged with demolition. Ground clearing is the job of whoever decides to build on it. .
        So why is it going to be capped, sealed and breakthroughs restricted?

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        • Health and safety of course. You don't want anyone to trip over a lump of steel concreted into the ground since 1975 and fall into one of the many caverns that look like puddles of industrial mush.
          Can I ask who is doing this work? Because when the East tip regeneration was being planned it was made clear did weren't going to clean up Mittal's mess unless they were getting the benefit from it.
          The fact is the western quayside has been in daily use since P61 arrived. Access to same has been poor since then. I presume it made sense to the powers that be to take down the temporary fence and open up the vast dockside. The temporary lighting is also less than ideal.
          For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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          • Originally posted by na grohmit� View Post
            The level of toxins on in the factory site is negligible. Most of what was dangerous there was dust. That went with the buildings. The real problem is the numerous steel protrusions that exist throughout the site. Some are about waist height, most are just trip hazards. These are surrounded by many pools which over time have become accidental drains for everything that flowed downwards. Clearance of these was beyond the brief of those charged with demolition. Ground clearing is the job of whoever decides to build on it.
            Cork coco has on its website the plans for the East tip. Already a segregated road access has been built and the eastern fence around the basin has been greatly improved. Indeed it is now more compliant with ISPS guidelines than it ever was.
            Believe it or not I had to survey the site a few years back to pick up pretty much everything down to individual bolts coming out of the ground, spent 3 weeks nearly on site and another 3 in the office modelling and drawing it. A nightmare to do.

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            • Originally posted by DeV View Post
              So why is it going to be capped, sealed and breakthroughs restricted?
              Does the restriction on breakthroughs include trees?

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              • Let's not get mixed up between the East tip where toxic waste was dumped and the former factory site.
                The East tip has been covered. Trees will be planted during the regeneration. In time the roots will pierce the lining but this will have no effect on what is below. This is standard practice for all landfill, much of which contains waste just as dangerous to human health as the East tip.
                We have I thought covered this in great detail. The experts have said that the waste only posed a risk it was airborne. The clean up process removes nothing instead covering it with membrane then covering with landscaped topsoil. In time nature takes the ground back.
                There will be no trees planted in concrete on the site of the old factory.
                For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                • Originally posted by CTU View Post
                  Is there not a plan for car park, a public park and footbridge to connect to spike island, which in my opinion is needed if spike island is to grow as a tourist attraction (I was in cobh during the summer and was thinking about going over but missed the sailings over to it). As for security, the historic dockyard at Portsmouth can coexist next to HMNB Portsmouth.
                  "All this has happened before, and all of this will happen again"



                  Last edited by TangoSierra; 9 September 2018, 00:09.

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                  • The East Tip seems to be priority

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                    • Possibly because it is so far behind schedule and the risks from doing nothing are well documented.
                      For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                      • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                        The East Tip seems to be priority
                        Within State Ministries we have various oversight/ research groups in all matters environmental, radiological etc. and we are also members of the IAEA. They have held conferences and teased out remediation measures. All our boffins were/are well paid but appear to be unaware of the dangers lurking.
                        Covering sites has long term obstacles such as erosion, weather events, gas formation, water pooling etc.
                        We suffered a typical fall out with text book results because

                        -Operations terminated abruptly
                        -Improper or no management of waste residues
                        -No funding existed for post milling activities.
                        -No Stakeholder oversight or involvement, often because company operations are secret.

                        The Navy needs 800 meters of quay wall and Basin West side is critical. The Drydock is not suitable for berthing , rather a repair station , with mobile craneage and if possible covered in , such as at UK Naval Docks , to provide all weather opportunities for painting etc.
                        Last edited by ancientmariner; 9 September 2018, 10:50.

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                        • The general consensus is that when Lakshmi Mittal bought the steel plant from the state in 1996 he did so to Strip it of its assets. He did so with great success, and pulled the plug in 2001. The Debts the company had when he bought it, remained when he sold it. He was, as they say, sold a pup. The State gave Irish Ispat grants for urgent environmental protection work, instead this was re-invested to non capital expenditure. The final years under state ownership saw dumping of sludge dramatically increase on the east tip. It was easy to blame Mittal for the mess left behind, but the real damage was done when the plant was a semi-state operation. The State gave him an undertaking that the plant was fully compliant with environmental regulations. The gulls in the harbour knew this was fiction.The H&S record alone for the plant was notorius. But the government wanted to keep the plant open at any cost, and was willing to fine ISPAT £10000 for every staff number below 300 that the plant reached in its 5 years after sale. An impossible task when one considers:
                          • Steel quality produced on site was known to be poor
                          • All heavy plant on site dated from 1975
                          • Worldwide steel production was experiencing a slump
                          • The plant was the smallest possible footprint capable of accomodating a steel rolling mill
                          Last edited by na grohmiti; 10 September 2018, 00:06.
                          For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                          • Originally posted by na grohmit� View Post
                            The level of toxins on in the factory site is negligible. Most of what was dangerous there was dust. That went with the buildings. The real problem is the numerous steel protrusions that exist throughout the site. Some are about waist height, most are just trip hazards. These are surrounded by many pools which over time have become accidental drains for everything that flowed downwards. Clearance of these was beyond the brief of those charged with demolition. Ground clearing is the job of whoever decides to build on it.
                            Cork coco has on its website the plans for the East tip. Already a segregated road access has been built and the eastern fence around the basin has been greatly improved. Indeed it is now more compliant with ISPS guidelines than it ever was.
                            The land was toxic when we tested the steel plant site in 2015. 🙈

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                            • Originally posted by ibenji View Post
                              The land was toxic when we tested the steel plant site in 2015. 🙈
                              "We"?
                              What land? Define toxic? As toxic as any other factory involved in working with hot metals I'll wager.
                              For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                              • Originally posted by na grohmit� View Post
                                "We"?
                                What land? Define toxic? As toxic as any other factory involved in working with hot metals I'll wager.
                                “We” was the site resident engineering team who engaged consultants to take and test samples from the previous drilled 20 odd boreholes throughout the factory site. The same “we” who structurally repaired both approach bridges to ensure that the didn’t collapse. We also carried out geotechnical investigations around the east tip and various enabling works.
                                Diesel and other contaminants were identified within most of the boreholes on site. Toxic = harmful to health. Something not to put on your cornflakes

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