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  • As we discussed in Feb this is a copy of the US ship the MV Ocean Trader, converted to support SOF operations. It is not intended for HADR or anything like that but for the RN to be able to transport and put ashore SBS & SAS units.
    If we had a FSG4100 vessel it would make more sense to keep it in its transport configuration as this would better meet our needs than a vessel for SOF operations. A FSG 4100 as the name suggests has 4100 lane meters which would easily allow us to transport a whole battalions worth of vehicles.

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    • Not just SF, RM as well

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      • Originally posted by DeV View Post
        Not just SF, RM as well
        The MRV, when it emerges, will be multirole and NOT heavy in one direction. The concept is to carry out all support fuctions to cover national requirements and international HADR instances. Insertion and re-supply missions should be doable . I think 4000 lane meters is capacity for hundreds of 7.6m trucks and not for this man's army.

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        • Well, BMT just came out with something that strikes me as ideal, if too big. They are talking "family" though, so I could see this in a smaller version. And I am sure one could stick a gun on it somewhere.

          BMT has unveiled its latest concept design, the ELLIDA™ multi-role support ship, at this year’s international defence trade show DSEI 2019. ELLIDA™ will be the third family of vessels designed by BMT for the auxiliary market and will complement the AEGIR and SALVAS families.

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            • A downsized member of the Elida family could fit a multitude of future roles.
              For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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              • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                A downsized member of the Elida family could fit a multitude of future roles.
                Given what the baseline is set up to do, how much capability would have to be reduced for downsizing?

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                • Well, Vard have a smaller ship with similar capability



                  https://vardmarine.com/gallery/vard-7-510/

                  It's an LST - but just do not order the bow ramp

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                  • Originally posted by Graylion View Post
                    Well, Vard have a smaller ship with similar capability

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                    https://vardmarine.com/gallery/vard-7-510/

                    It's an LST - but just do not order the bow ramp

                    100m is not what the RFT specified. 120-130m is what the NS has set out as its required length.

                    To get true capability the longer the vessel the better.

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                    • Originally posted by Graylion View Post
                      Well, Vard have a smaller ship with similar capability

                      [ATTACH=CONFIG]8697[/ATTACH]

                      https://vardmarine.com/gallery/vard-7-510/

                      It's an LST - but just do not order the bow ramp
                      If you were buying a bungalow, would you order a 2 story house and just tell them to not bother with the ground floor? If you buy a motorbike, do you buy a car and tell then not to bother with the 2 of the wheels.
                      The bow ramp is a major feature of the design. To "not order" one, would involve a total redesign of the hull, tank test, stiffeners, keel etc.
                      For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                      • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                        If you were buying a bungalow, would you order a 2 story house and just tell them to not bother with the ground floor? If you buy a motorbike, do you buy a car and tell then not to bother with the 2 of the wheels.
                        The bow ramp is a major feature of the design. To "not order" one, would involve a total redesign of the hull, tank test, stiffeners, keel etc.
                        There is also a stern ramp, however this ship would need a calm AOP , it has a designed draft of 3.8m, what would it be fully discharged ?

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                        • Originally posted by Graylion View Post
                          Well, Vard have a smaller ship with similar capability

                          [ATTACH=CONFIG]8697[/ATTACH]

                          https://vardmarine.com/gallery/vard-7-510/

                          It's an LST - but just do not order the bow ramp
                          The design is more targeted towards the Polish need for a new LST rather than our MRV. But even as an LST there are a few points missing for beaching such as protection for the propellers and an aft anchor for de-beaching.

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                          • I was thinking of the late use of the RN Sir class. They served as LSLs even though they originally were LSTs.

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                            • Originally posted by Graylion View Post
                              I was thinking of the late use of the RN Sir class. They served as LSLs even though they originally were LSTs.
                              Sir Lancelot and Sir Tristram, plus three others, were of the Round Table Class and could carry 12 Challenger tanks but as you say were logistics capable and could carry many trucks, recce vehicles, and containers, and transport 420 troops. Dimensionally they would suit our available facilities on their 18.6 meter beam. Their successor The Bay Class are beyond our White paper proposals. I don't believe we should go into beach operations but stay within a multi role capability on a budget of Euro 130m +/-.

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                              • I remember being on both of those in 92 (one out, the other back), and they carried out entire Field Ambulance (very vehicle-heavy, 60+ from memory) with lots of room to spare. The way back they also had lots of 432's being repatriated from Germany.
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                                'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
                                Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
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