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  • You can interpret the letter from Dept of finance as saying, you can promote someone if such promotion does not entitle them to an extra allowence or wage increase...
    Can you promote someone temporarily, without paying them extra for their new position?


    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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    • Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
      Can you promote someone temporarily, without paying them extra for their new position?
      According to the Southern Hog, Acting Unpaid has been done away with years ago,
      so I would say the probable answer to that is no
      "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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      • All upgradings/promotions involve a wage increase apart from RDF 2/Lt to Lt (I think).

        The directive from DFHQ is quite specific NO promotions (extra allowances/pay or not!)

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        • From the Irish Times


          THE CABINET ordered an immediate and indefinite public ector jobs embargo, and exceptions will require the personal sanction of Minister for Finance Brian Lenihan, it has emerged.
          There isn't much being said about this...does anyone have any idea what these exceptions are and how hard it will be to get approval? (in fact, does he know himself?)
          "Attack your attic with a Steyr....as seen on the Late Late Show..."

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          • Case by case basis. Essential services first.


            Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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            • Certain exemptions already provided for certain HSE positions and certain education positions.

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              • Thanks
                "Attack your attic with a Steyr....as seen on the Late Late Show..."

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                • Originally posted by Bravo20 View Post
                  Certain exemptions already provided for certain HSE positions and certain education positions.
                  That was exempted initially, but basically, every promotion or recruitment must get the say so of the Minister for Finance.
                  So far he is being very quiet. Some campaigns are running, but nobody is sure if appointments will be made.


                  Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                  • 365. To ask the Minister for Defence his plans for the future of the Reserve Defence Force; and if he will make a statement on the matter. — Jim O’Keeffe. [16576/09] - to be asked in the Dail today 28.04.09
                    fyi
                    "The Question is not: how far you will take this? The Question is do you possess the constitution to go as far as is needed?"

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                    • Originally posted by trellheim View Post
                      Operational taskings take priority usually, therefore if training dates must change then they must change.

                      This happens all the time, but the flexibility of the RDF in this regard is not well understood by the PDF, in that if you plan it, people will select work leave dates etc to match up with the planned dates. If these dates are changed then then the number of people who can train will drop off. Since there is no facility for making the employer give you the time off then this occurs.

                      Secondly, full-time jobs usually take precedence in the current economic climate.

                      Found this




                      Amazing. THe Canadians can give a full year of courses, dates, numbers for, locations, etc for both regular and reserve forces and post it on the interweb.
                      "The Question is not: how far you will take this? The Question is do you possess the constitution to go as far as is needed?"

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                      • Any word on what was said in the Dail today??
                        Is the RDF still gonna be ticking along for another while...
                        Life's short, party naked :-)

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                        • You will see the answer maybe tomorrow afternoon on the oireachtas website. Its a Written answer.


                          Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                          • The FCA weathered the last recession.
                            Unit cadre was cut to the minimum and rescources became scarce.
                            Recruiting was strangled.
                            Mandays were severely limited.
                            There were always rumours of canning the FCA.

                            Now I know people believe that the RDF is a radically different organisation but why are people so pesimistic about its survival?
                            Without supplies no army is brave.

                            —Frederick the Great,

                            Instructions to his Generals, 1747

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                            • Recruiting in the FCA was not restricted in the last recession and the FCA was approximately 15k at the time

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                              • Originally posted by paul g View Post
                                They're very large brigades by anybody's standards, and given that there's barely enough equipment for one brigade, ( think of the numbers of 105mm artillery and modern reconnaissance vehicles) not very likely. Was tried between 1959 and 1979, and didnt work then. Furthermore the need for large number of trained soldiers to resist an invasion went with the end of the cold war. The DF is re-structuring towards overseas deployments, the nonintegrated AR is in that case obsolete.

                                What everybody is forgetting is that ireland has one of the largest reserve armies in Europe, the TA in the UK has 14 infantry battaions, were they organised the as the AR then they'ld have a whopping 168 battalions, the TA has three 105mm artillery regiments, as do the AR in theory, need I go on? The department and the PDF want a much smaller reserve, that is far more useful to them, basically the 2300 that qualify for a gratuity annually.

                                They might look at the TA infantry battalion structure in the U.K, and reduce the force to three battalions, which will help keep things spread. As pointed out, there are only enough people qualifying for the gratuity to justify a force this size anyway.

                                They won't get to keep three integrated brigades in the next white paper, they only managed that because of a carefully orchestrated press campaign and given the brass have got their new role more clearly defined, they probably won't want to either.
                                Territorial Army Elements within Northern Ireland include –

                                o
                                o QOY:
                                RHQ – Newcastle.
                                A Sqn – Ayr/Motherwell.
                                B (NIH) Sqn – Belfast.
                                C Sqn – Cupar/Forfar (from A Coy, 7 SCOTS).
                                D Sqn – Newcastle/Sunderland.
                                Y Sqn – York/Hull. 455

                                o 105 Regt RA (V):
                                RHQ – Edinburgh.
                                206 Bty – Newtonards.o
                                207 Bty – Edinburgh.
                                212 Bty – Arbroath. 306

                                591 Indep Fd Sqn – Bangor/Antrim 159

                                40 Sig Regt (V):
                                RHQ – Belfast.
                                66 Sig Sqn – Belfast (to Sp Sqn).
                                69 Sig Sqn – Belfast/Limavady (reduces to Det).
                                85 Sig Sqn – Bangor. 349

                                2 Bn Royal Irish
                                RHQ – Portadown.
                                A Coy – Newtonards.
                                B Coy – Newtonabbey/Ballymena.
                                C Coy –Armagh/Enniskillen (from B Coy).
                                The Band of the Royal Irish Regt – Lisburn. 433


                                o 204 Fd Hosp (V):
                                HQ – Belfast.
                                B Det – Ballymena.
                                C Det – Newtonards.
                                D Det - Armagh. 261

                                o 253 Div GS Med Regt (V):
                                RHQ – Belfast.
                                B Evac Sqn – Londonderry.
                                Sp Sqn – Belfast.
                                XXX Area Med Sqn – Belfast.
                                YYY Area Med Sqn – Belfast. 371

                                o 152 Tpt Regt RLC (V) (from AMS):
                                RHQ – Belfast.
                                211 Tpt Sqn – Londonderry/Coleraine.
                                220 Tpt Sqn – Belfast.
                                400 Tpt Sqn – Belfast. 373


                                o 5 RMP:
                                RHQ - Edinburgh.
                                243 Pro Coy – Livingston/Lisburn.
                                252 Pro Coy – Stockton on Tees/Newcastle. 236


                                o 5 MI Bn(V):
                                RHQ – TBC.
                                51 MI Coy – North London.
                                52 MI Coy – Edinburgh/Newton Abbey.
                                53 MI Coy – York/Gateshead.
                                54 MI Coy – Bristol/Cardiff/Exeter.
                                55 MI Coy – Birmingham/Chorley/Nottingham 374

                                These are the Regimental/Bn Totals
                                B Sqn NIH now account for 90
                                206 Bty involve some 120
                                591 Sqn are 159 strong
                                40 Signals are 349
                                2nd Bn RIrish are 433
                                The Medics and logistics are as listed
                                8 Detachment Military Police are platoon strength
                                And 52 MI Coy were some 47 of whom 10 were in Newtown Abbey
                                The UOTC has an establishment of 168
                                Allowing for command and control etc a figure of 2500 may be appropriate.

                                The Total ORBAT of the TA nationwide includes

                                RAC
                                4 x Yeomanry Regts [1750 strong]

                                RA
                                1 x OP Regt,
                                1 x STA/MLRS Regt
                                1 x UAV/GS Regt,
                                1 x GBAD Regt
                                3 x CS Regts [2507]

                                RE
                                1 x CS Regt,
                                2 x GS Regts,
                                2 x AS Regts,
                                1 x EOD Regt,
                                1 x Geo Sqn,
                                1 x Cdo Sqn,
                                1 x Indep CS Sqn,
                                1 Amphib Tp,
                                1 x Infra Sp Group. [4678]

                                R Signals
                                3 x PTARMIGAN Regts,
                                8 x National Comms Regts,
                                5 x Sqns [5260]

                                INF
                                14 x Bns [6687]

                                AAC
                                1 x AH Sp Regts,
                                1 x LUH Regt [522]

                                RLC
                                9 x Tpt Regts,
                                2 x Sup Regts,
                                1 x Pnr Regt,
                                1x Port Regt,
                                1 x Mov Con Regt,
                                1 x Postal & Courier Regt,
                                1 x Catering Sp Regt [6602]

                                RAMC
                                3 x GS Med Regts,
                                11 x Fd Hosps,
                                1 x Med Evac Regt,
                                5 x Med Sqns in Regular Med Regts [5268]

                                REME
                                4 x Bns [1557]

                                Provost
                                4 x Coys in 2 Regular Regts, + MPS(V) some 94 strong [618]

                                Intelligence 2 x Bns [704]
                                Last edited by Kieran Marum; 29 April 2009, 17:20.

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