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Originally posted by BANDIT View PostSo inclement weather is not an excuse its a challenge
But when the met office is forcasting force 6 to force 8 winds you have to take them seriously.
Rock climbing, wading accross fast flowing water and Bungie jumping are also challenges but we dont do them either!!!!
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I am sure there are fit soldiers probably fitter as a body than they were in the 70s . Although we were probably tougher..( Hairy long johns etc I rest my case).
The challenge nowadays is that u take guys from a soft PC western society and attempt to turn them into soldiers that may if they face combat have to do the mOST anti PC activities and sometimes deal with militias, Armies who may be technologically inferior but are just tough fit bastards. The average Afghan, Somali, DRC third world wahtever is just physically tougher .
Also our soldiers still live in the soft western society. Home on weekends , etc . Cannot be changed
Look we have beaches being closed today in Irealnd because of a potentail E Coli infection,, do not wash yr hands after the loo and u can get E Coli infection.
So we must not expose soldiers to unnecessary hazards in training but we must toughen them up and test them to the absolute limit because someday they may need to draw on that experience and it will save their life or win he battle.So inclement weather is not an excuse its a challenge"Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.
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"Having to put up with shite kit does not make you tougher" .
No But you do become used to discomfort. ---not that that was the reeason for hairy long johns, They were invented by the brothers I think ..
The play station generation. Yes there are members of the play station generation who have fought in some shitholes but and its a big BUTTT the logistic tail in supporting many of them is so long that it feeds the very people they are often fighting and its not all about being based in a sangar in a remote part of Afghanistan. Just compare what is happening in Somalia with the AU troops who are a lot leaner in terms of creature comforts cheaper than a similar UN or western army a much smaller Logs tail and thus less targets for the enemy. And pls do not think that I consider this adventure a success,
As regards living in the western world, I understand that soldiers must also have a normal western life and this is the challenge .. to switch from central heating to freezing yr rocks off and working effeciently ( in the rain if necessary)
E Coli warnings , Panic in case someone picks up a bug and sues . There is a lot of medical reserach that indicates that the increasing levels of asthma, and other allergies are connected to a lack of normal exposure of people to everyday bugs. Not suggesting that u stick your head in a sewer but one should not have to call a sanitation technician if the loo gets blocked..
Interesting that in the same or previous weekend the liffey swim took place ,now that I would not do.. So Much for E Coli . A few slow days at work ,, so read IMO
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Originally posted by bandit View Post"having to put up with shite kit does not make you tougher" .
No but you do become used to discomfort. ---not that that was the reason for hairy long johns, they were invented by the brothers i think ...."Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"
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Originally posted by trellheim View PostNew Sen NCO, YO, Std Officer for example. fingers crossed Sen NCO is on again next year.
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Originally posted by DeV View PostIn the main it is changes in drills/SOPs most of which change every few years and can't even be found in the manuals.
It is up to people on courses to pass on the latest info to their peers (and their affiliated units)
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TC's/TI' ARE regularly sent out to all units in the DF via the Intranet.Now.tell me how many RDF Offrs and NCO's check the Intranet or even have access to it.?
Also you can read about how to do patrol contact drills(for example) all day but their is no substitute for hands on training.TTP's are constantly updating and those who go on the most recent courses pass down the knowledge and handouts/precis as required."Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.
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