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  • Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
    Yup if you go on a three weeker 120 miles off the west coast, be my guest,

    The criteria needs to be very specific as it was fior the issuing of bond... oh ! there we go precedent already set for tax exemption....
    Even that has had its issues.
    For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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    • Originally posted by Auldsod View Post
      I mean a fundamental reorganisation of the establishment of the Army and Navy.
      The ships requirement is as Stephen Hawking would say calculable by proving formula. The Navy needs Base, Dockyard, and College garrisons plus 912 seagoing personnel of appropriate ranks and qualifications. Recruits and trainees of all types should be held in a separate cadre plus to the establishment.

      Ships (2.25 Crews) Base + 200, Trainees 125 = 911 +200 + 125=1236. The base may need more personnel to cover Ordnance, Dockyard and Civil OPW.

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      • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
        The ships requirement is as Stephen Hawking would say calculable by proving formula. The Navy needs Base, Dockyard, and College garrisons plus 912 seagoing personnel of appropriate ranks and qualifications. Recruits and trainees of all types should be held in a separate cadre plus to the establishment.

        Ships (2.25 Crews) Base + 200, Trainees 125 = 911 +200 + 125=1236. The base may need more personnel to cover Ordnance, Dockyard and Civil OPW.
        AND F. O. and his NHQ staffs. Grand total say 1250ish.

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        • Originally posted by Rhodes View Post
          It was some clown in the RDF or NSR that started that on his own, wasn't authorised by or come from the Naval Service.
          I think one of the papers had a quote from the DOD confirming this.

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          • Originally posted by Bravo20 View Post
            I think one of the papers had a quote from the DOD confirming this.
            They only confirmed that NSR members were indeed contacted regarding joining the Naval Service, they didn't say who by.

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            • The request came to the 4 NSR Commanding Officers from the Army.

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              • Originally posted by popeye View Post
                The request came to the 4 NSR Commanding Officers from the Army.
                so outside their CoC

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                • Originally posted by popeye View Post
                  The request came to the 4 NSR Commanding Officers from the Army.
                  From an individual in the RDF.

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                  • The article had a quote from the DF Press Office confirming that the reservists had been contacted. If it was a solo run by an RDF officer they would have said that or denied that the reservists had been officially contacted. Of course this could be all fake news.

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                    • Originally posted by Rhodes View Post
                      They only confirmed that NSR members were indeed contacted regarding joining the Naval Service, they didn't say who by.



                      Photo of Seán SherlockSeán Sherlock (Cork East, Labour)
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                      96. To ask the Taoiseach and Minister for Defence if letters of invitation are being issued to Naval Service reservists to transfer to the Naval Service; and his views whether this is an appropriate method of recruitment for the Defence Forces. [44069/18]

                      Photo of Paul KehoePaul Kehoe (Wexford, Fine Gael)
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                      The Naval Service Reserve (NSR) is an important component of the Defence Forces and there are 125 effective personnel in the NSR (as at end August).

                      I am informed by the military authorities that an informal query was issued by a staff officer in the Reserve Defence Force (RDF) Directorate to ascertain if any Naval Service Reservists were interested in joining the Permanent Defence Force in the future. The military authorities has confirmed that no letters of invitation to transfer to the Naval Service from the Reserve have been issued.

                      The RDF has typically been a source of recruitment to the PDF and over the years people who have joined the Army Reserve or Naval Service Reserve have subsequently pursued a full time military career.

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                      • I can guarantee that no RDF staff officer did this without prior instruction. Good to see that plausible deniability is live and well.

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                        • Or that something other than group think is trying to come up with solutions to crisis problems, yet does not go unpunished!

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                          • It was some clown in the RDF or NSR that started that on his own, wasn't authorised by or come from the Naval Service
                            No AR/NSR Officer would have done this ; as B20 said its nice to see people playing the blame game.
                            "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                            "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                            • Originally posted by trellheim View Post
                              No AR/NSR Officer would have done this ; as B20 said its nice to see people playing the blame game.
                              I suppose all of this is a kite flying, but paltry exercise. Recruiting must be initiated in a positive fashion and try to eliminate stopgap actions. However NSR callups should be part of all NSR enlistments with a view to skilling reservists for relevant shipboard tasks. In recruiting from all sources , going forward, we must take into account that shipboard systems are requiring higher levels of comprehension to get optimum use of systems available. Through the NMCI we might need a SME module to hone skills in using modern Electronic, weapon, Navigation, Surveillance, and othe shipboard IT systems.
                              In Defensive systems ships need input from automatic sensors to detect, track, and engage. The whole needs skilled experienced crew which in turn needs retention of crews, otherwise we will get the P31 syndrome of bin the tough bits.

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                              • Only ever heard of people transferring from NS to army
                                Does happen but usually in non seagoing appointments. Former editor of an Cosantoir transferred from Army to NS, I was on duty with him as his first experience as a Naval Service guard commander....
                                Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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