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  • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
    Back to the ship of the moment. The RCN have embarked on a programme for 8 Arctic OPV at 105m X 19m on 6,600 Tonnes to include icebreaker ability, Flight deck, live aboard helo, vehicle deck, 20 tonne crane, container handling, 12 metre landing craft, 2 fast boats, folding stabilisers etc. All designed to work in the Canadian Arctic, with a crew of 58ish.
    These vessels are extremely expensive at around €280m each, the Norwegian Svalbard class on which they are based would cost around €80m today. Plus the Canadian vessels only have a 25mm cannon while the Norwegians go with a 57mm!!

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    • Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
      These vessels are extremely expensive at around €280m each, the Norwegian Svalbard class on which they are based would cost around €80m today. Plus the Canadian vessels only have a 25mm cannon while the Norwegians go with a 57mm!!
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      The armament is presumptive on their humanitarian role in the Canadian Arctic Islands . Could change, with role, if advanced electronics are installed. The costs include future support and are in Canadian Dollars . The Canadian CG version is to be unarmed . It is an expensive package . All ships from day one need to be adaptable to defend or intervene against modern threats from all quarters.

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      • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
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        The armament is presumptive on their humanitarian role in the Canadian Arctic Islands . Could change, with role, if advanced electronics are installed. The costs include future support and are in Canadian Dollars . The Canadian CG version is to be unarmed . It is an expensive package . All ships from day one need to be adaptable to defend or intervene against modern threats from all quarters.
        The AOPS vessels (Vard 7-100 ICE design) use the Lockheed Martin 330CMS Combat Management System which are now in the upgraded Halifax and Anzac frigates and will go in the Canadian Type 26.

        The reported Svalbard acquisition costs (from which the Vard 7-100 ICE evolved from) also never included radars, sensors or the CMS, nor either their integration and are now nearing 2 decades out of date.

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        • So we're into another year and we're looking at a incoming GE with the ramifications and delays that will bring, so any bets as to when we might see any movement on the EPV at this stage?

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          • Originally posted by Sparky42 View Post
            So we're into another year and we're looking at a incoming GE with the ramifications and delays that will bring, so any bets as to when we might see any movement on the EPV at this stage?
            The annual Naval revue which was a powerpoint type conference on what was done, and a glimpse of future developments , was binned this year. There was an address by FOCNS instead to the "troops" in the drill shed. It seems a singularity of matters is emerging.
            The MRV will probably emerge at some stage and hopefully match aspirations. Thinking about the LCVP requirement/operation , I think there should be two that are davit operated ( two point mounted) and similar to the RN LCVP Mk.5. The acquisition should be up to 6 to allow for training and carrying an extra for special missions. The ship should additionally have a fixed crane to match intended lifts to the Mk.5 and also have ramp discharge/loading bays for in port mobile units/cargoes.

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            • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
              The annual Naval revue which was a powerpoint type conference on what was done, and a glimpse of future developments , was binned this year. There was an address by FOCNS instead to the "troops" in the drill shed. It seems a singularity of matters is emerging.
              The MRV will probably emerge at some stage and hopefully match aspirations. Thinking about the LCVP requirement/operation , I think there should be two that are davit operated ( two point mounted) and similar to the RN LCVP Mk.5. The acquisition should be up to 6 to allow for training and carrying an extra for special missions. The ship should additionally have a fixed crane to match intended lifts to the Mk.5 and also have ramp discharge/loading bays for in port mobile units/cargoes.
              That address was possibly a “townhall” (corporate speak for meeting where everyone available is given a chance to listen to a presentation and with time for Q&A)

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              • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                That address was possibly a “townhall” (corporate speak for meeting where everyone available is given a chance to listen to a presentation and with time for Q&A)

                No, it was the annual Christmas address with no Q&A.

                Just a promotion ceremony at the conclusion for a SNCO.

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                • “Project planning is ongoing for the acquisition of a multi-role vessel to replace the Naval Service flagship LE Eithne. This is in pre-appraisal phase and the exact cost will not be known until the specification of requirements have been defined and the competition goes to the market.“

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                  • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                    “Project planning is ongoing for the acquisition of a multi-role vessel to replace the Naval Service flagship LE Eithne. This is in pre-appraisal phase and the exact cost will not be known until the specification of requirements have been defined and the competition goes to the market.“

                    https://assets.gov.ie/45752/ef45839e...14e7c2bbe.xlsm
                    In planning and outline specifications the following matters will need attention. Bridge design and clear unobstructed view for watchkeepers. Take up tonnage and ability to take on ballast while underweigh at sea. Ability to RAS outwards to other ships from both sides, including fuel. Ability to fuel Helicopters, Hot or cold refuel and/or in flight. Cranes sufficient to self load or discharge deck cargo. Means to handle all personnel/vehicles movements off or onto the ship alongside or at sea. Fitted spaces for HQ duties/ HADR. etc.

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                      • Well Arrowhead needs an export customer for it to be viable. Someone has to be first, and the NS has a good relationship with Babcock.
                        Who is gonna come in with a better offer.
                        We did flag some time back that the (Danish) design did, to a certain extent fulfil the minimum criteria for a Blue/Green-EPV-MRV. Obviously not as envisaged for the RN, but in the other proposed versions, like a smaller Absalon (which is what the Iver Huitfeldt is) with it's flex deck, but not as much in the way of missiles and extra cannon.
                        For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                        • Is this what is being talked about?


                          Cause it isn’t really what the DF want

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                          • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                            Is this what is being talked about?


                            Cause it isn’t really what the DF want
                            Yeah that's what they are trying to plug, I'm not surprised that the UK is trying to get some interest in them but yeah I don't think this is something the NS want.

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                            • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                              like a smaller Absalon (which is what the Iver Huitfeldt is) with it's flex deck, but not as much in the way of missiles and extra cannon.
                              Nope. same hull, one less deck.

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                              • One less deck = smaller ?
                                My point being the Arrowhead is based on this design, the dimensions of which fit the original proposals.
                                Last edited by na grohmiti; 4 February 2020, 09:58.
                                For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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