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Originally posted by pym View PostI'd imagine the prospect of selling or gifting something so unambiguously warry to another nation would give the DoD nightmares.
The flycatcher/bofors combo were a stop gap post 9/11 opportunity buy when they were offloaded by the Dutch. They were already well on their way to obsolescence in 2001. A huge step up on the L60 and by all accounts a massive improvement in accuracy. However in any sort of contested environment the radar operator in the trailer would probably have been occupying the worst seat in the DF. Museum pieces now.
The newer Giraffe radar sets that were sourced from Norway are only marginally newer than the original DF operated version and themselves would certainly be having obsolescence issues by now. Another stop gap.
Wonder what stop gap they'll find next.
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Originally posted by Jetjock View PostIt's a purely defensive weapon. You ain't invading anyone with it.
The flycatcher/bofors combo were a stop gap post 9/11 opportunity buy when they were offloaded by the Dutch. They were already well on their way to obsolescence in 2001. A huge step up on the L60 and by all accounts a massive improvement in accuracy. However in any sort of contested environment the radar operator in the trailer would probably have been occupying the worst seat in the DF. Museum pieces now.
The newer Giraffe radar sets that were sourced from Norway are only marginally newer than the original DF operated version and themselves would certainly be having obsolescence issues by now. Another stop gap.
Wonder what stop gap they'll find next.
But perhaps I'm wrong.
God forbid we'd ever tag on to an order for Giraffe AMB's with the neighboursLast edited by pym; 14 October 2015, 21:36.
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Originally posted by Jetjock View PostIt's a purely defensive weapon. You ain't invading anyone with it.
The flycatcher/bofors combo were a stop gap post 9/11 opportunity buy when they were offloaded by the Dutch. They were already well on their way to obsolescence in 2001. A huge step up on the L60 and by all accounts a massive improvement in accuracy. However in any sort of contested environment the radar operator in the trailer would probably have been occupying the worst seat in the DF. Museum pieces now.
The newer Giraffe radar sets that were sourced from Norway are only marginally newer than the original DF operated version and themselves would certainly be having obsolescence issues by now. Another stop gap.
Wonder what stop gap they'll find next.For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Originally posted by na grohmití View PostThere are possibly a few Gulf war era Rapiers going cheap.
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Originally posted by na grohmití View PostThere are possibly a few Gulf war era Rapiers going cheap.
Radar range 50km
BV206 mounted
Tracks up to 20 targets
Controls up to 20 RBS70 FUs (each engaging 1 target at a time)
Max range 8km
Max alt 4km
Rapier 2000
Radar range 16km (upgradable to 32km)
Towed by 4x4
Up to 75 targets
Controls 1 Rapier FU AFAIK (can engage 2 targets simulatiously)
Max range 8km
Max alt 3kmLast edited by DeV; 18 October 2015, 00:06.
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Originally posted by DeV View Posthttps://www.armyrecognition.com/nove...dish_soil.html
Sweden are looking at replacing the RBS 70 with the RBS 98 (ground launched IRIS-T)
Such is the situation facing the Swedes, they reactivated RBS70/90 units to protect Gotland in the last year.
ÖB presenterade under Folk och Försvars Rikskonferens i Sälen att arméns brigader nu ska få bättre luftvärnsskydd. Detta genom att använda äldre men väl fungerande system.
It will be interesting to see what replaces the RBS 70 in Irish service, but beyond the recent upgrades, I don't see it happening in the near future.
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Originally posted by DeV View Posthttps://www.armyrecognition.com/nove...dish_soil.html
Sweden are looking at replacing the RBS 70 with the RBS 98 (ground launched IRIS-T)
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I always wonder why Western armies are always keen to scrap anti-aircraft guns systems as fast as they can, yet the Russians, Chinese and all their client states adore the things and constantly deploy and use them. Time and time again, we see Western armies encountering anti-aircraft calibres from 12.7mm up, both for AD and for engaging ground targets yet Western forces seem to prefer the missile as the primary defender every time. There's a very interesting video about an Apache operation in Iraq that had it's arse handed to them and most of the damage was from 7.62 and 12.7mm, with some 23mm thrown in. They lost one aircraft shot down, two put beyond economic repair and all of the rest damaged to a greater or lesser degree, from simple, manually aimed guns. I would argue that a layer of gun defence is necessary for an AD envelope around a formation and the secondary function of direct fire is also essential.
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I would presume the attraction of AA guns is that they are low-tech in comparison with missile systems, low cost and low maintenance, both the guns and ammo.
In “modern” (ie asynchronous) warfare, the use of guns offer an advantage, as a single missile launch can be targeted quickly and accurately, but taking out a grid square that contains four guns being used in an AA role but also contains a few dozen non-combatants gets frowned upon by media, UN, ICRC etc. which western nations take more notice of. Also, collateral damage from AA gun projectiles (which can be considerable) might be of less concern to some nations than others.
Therefore a lot more of them can be deployed, and quantity has it’s own quality.
Just my uneducated thoughts. I’m sure someone with more insight like Ropebag will be along to give the DS answer'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html
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