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  • I can guarantee that no RDF staff officer did this without prior instruction. Good to see that plausible deniability is live and well.
    No AR/NSR Officer would have done this ;
    Sounds a bit like Oliver North....so which version is correct....no one did it...or no one did it without prior instruction?
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    • Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
      Sounds a bit like Oliver North....so which version is correct....no one did it...or no one did it without prior instruction?
      Or someone did it with prior instruction and wires were crossed

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      • Or the questions really was "Are any Naval Service Reservists were interested in joining the Permanent Defence Force in the future.........through the normal recruiting process?" and after it went through the ballhop machine it became "We want to transfer reservists to the PDF, do you want to do it?"

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        • Originally posted by trellheim View Post
          No AR/NSR Officer would have done this ; as B20 said its nice to see people playing the blame game.
          Well, they did and it has now been officially confirmed publicly, whether you like the fact or not.

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          • Nothing in the public statement did it say that the RDF Officer did it off his/he own bat. By the way neither did it say that the RDF officer asked for anything more than information on who many NSR people were interested in joining the PDF in the near future.

            From those of us with experience with dealing with DFHQ/DOD/Govt Ministers, this is the most likely scenario.
            Said RDF officer was tasked with conducting a discrete inquiry into who many NSR would be likely to apply for the PDF in the coming year.
            This discrete inquiry was interpreted by some as NSR are going to be called up directly into the NS.
            This was then publically condemned by national press, representative associations, opposition TDs.
            A roll back of the original plan (which was probably nothing more than if they identified that 30 NSR were interested in the joining the PDF they could be targeted and fast tracked through the selection process but still go through the standard recruit training).
            Standard denial issued.

            Said RDF officer takes one for the team.

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            • And the AdminO for the RDF Reorg did say that members of the RDF will be encouraged to join the PDF

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              • Well, they did and it has now been officially confirmed publicly, whether you like the fact or not.
                Sorry I see the PQ answer now. I refuse to believe anyone did this off their own bat. If I'm wrong Ill own up.


                And for avoidance of doubt I dont know anything about this.
                Last edited by trellheim; 2 November 2018, 12:54.
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                • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post

                  Notice was tiered with a ship varying from maximum agreed notice in the Basin, to standard operational notice at the OW. Once out on SO the ship remained at Immediate notice throughout her patrol duration. Notice could also be meaningless as a laid-up ship could be brought to 72 hours notice and rushed out with re-calls and replacements using chaos theory.
                  The lift blood of any Navy is to be busy training, and carrying out operational duties, undertaking missions abroad, , showing the flag, and to promote Irish interests abroad assisting the Dept. of Foreign Affairs etc. It cannot be done without inputs and prudent participation in overseas missions. Seeing ships hanging about Cork harbour can give a wrong impression. Right now foreign visits should be underway. What's happened things like Kiel Week? The Irish memorial on the loss of the Empress of Ireland in the St. Lawrence River at Father's Point with 1000+ losses.

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                  • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                    The lift blood of any Navy is to be busy training, and carrying out operational duties, undertaking missions abroad, , showing the flag, and to promote Irish interests abroad assisting the Dept. of Foreign Affairs etc. It cannot be done without inputs and prudent participation in overseas missions. Seeing ships hanging about Cork harbour can give a wrong impression. Right now foreign visits should be underway. What's happened things like Kiel Week? The Irish memorial on the loss of the Empress of Ireland in the St. Lawrence River at Father's Point with 1000+ losses.
                    Sorry for" lift" read "life" in first sentence. The 100 anniversary of the Loss of Empress of Ireland was May 2019.

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                    • How does that fit with having x ships at y notice as is the current KPI ?

                      I assume x ships includes those at sea.

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                      • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                        How does that fit with having x ships at y notice as is the current KPI ?

                        I assume x ships includes those at sea.
                        To be honest it is 27 years since I parted with Naval salt water and sailed with Sailing Orders. The snap shot last week, including P51 in DSG Cork Drydocks was X+Y in base. There is a lot to be done or should be done. Like check out approaches and aids to every harbour in Ireland and classify their usability for Naval use.Make a report with recommendations to DOD and the Minister with Marine in his portfolio. We suffer from marine regression and stagnation. An old school CONS told me once, "you can doss off anywhere you like on S.O. but don't do it in Cork Harbour, it creates a bad impression and more importantly bad Press."

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                        • And also Manpower and patrol days availability need to be factored in.... also remember what will come down the line.... climate change and the biggest user of fuel in the DF???? the NS

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                          • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                            And also Manpower and patrol days availability need to be factored in.... also remember what will come down the line.... climate change and the biggest user of fuel in the DF???? the NS
                            Make sure that at all used ports our ships can go on shore power but in any case all the time at the naval base. It should be the task of the Naval service to construct a comprehensive research based PORTALON of the total Irish coast to include passages, anchorages, Lit and blind harbours, bouyage and marks,tidal information etc., and relevant intelligence useful to the pdf. Capt. Myles did one for ILC and its their bible for all coastal work. Ships must be kept busy otherwise capability is diluted.

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                            • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                              Make sure that at all used ports our ships can go on shore power but in any case all the time at the naval base. It should be the task of the Naval service to construct a comprehensive research based PORTALON of the total Irish coast to include passages, anchorages, Lit and blind harbours, bouyage and marks,tidal information etc., and relevant intelligence useful to the pdf. Capt. Myles did one for ILC and its their bible for all coastal work. Ships must be kept busy otherwise capability is diluted.
                              Age is a bugger. I should have said in the second last sentence Capt Myles Hook Irish Lights R.I.P.

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                              • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                                Make sure that at all used ports our ships can go on shore power but in any case all the time at the naval base. It should be the task of the Naval service to construct a comprehensive research based PORTALON of the total Irish coast to include passages, anchorages, Lit and blind harbours, bouyage and marks,tidal information etc., and relevant intelligence useful to the pdf. Capt. Myles did one for ILC and its their bible for all coastal work. Ships must be kept busy otherwise capability is diluted.
                                NSR Pot NCO Cse did that as a paper based exercise for the Med for OP PONTUS

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